Thanks Gary & Alan, I'll at least have some things to tell/show my student tomorrow. It's really bad when your JAWS student ask for help on a site and you have even less success than the student! I've been checking it some more and although I can now get somethings to happen on screen, it is still sluggish and the results of mouse simulation are inconsistent. Perhaps my 800MB ram is just inadequate for this one. It is interesting that there are such huge discrepancies in what users were able to access on this page. I would never have believed it possible. Gary, I'm glad to hear that WindowEyes couldn't do any better with it. Cher >>> "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxx> 3/26/2008 1:03 PM >>> Alan, Although I didn't try it on this site, this method would probably work to reach other pages. However, when you do get to another page on the site by whatever method, you just end up with more flash objects. On the other pages, these are buttons on which you can use the spacebar to make a selection. By the time you find a vehicle to purchase searching on this site, you could have traveled to Nashville from Memphis or Knoxville and visited the dealer in person. Gary King w4wkz@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Clendinen ( mailto:alanclendinen@xxxxxxxxxxx ) To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:41 AM Subject: RE: Impossible Web Site Cher, You asked: "So, do you think that that one page is all there is and that you can't link to pre-owned or new or any words on the screen? We tried simulating mouse actions with the JAWS cursor, but that did not work either. Sometimes we could see the content in the main frame, but sometimes it was empty." You may be able to use Google to reach other pages at that auto dealer's web site. To tell Google to search for key words or phrases at that web site, you need to use the "site:" command in the Google search field, followed by the Internet address, and then the key word or phrase. Here's an example: site:rivergatetoyota.com pre-owned The above command would look for any occurrence of "pre-owned" in any of the pages at that Internet address, and then you can click on any of the results and go to that page, bypassing that troublesome start page. Alan