RE: IE 7 and JAWS

  • From: Russell Solowoniuk <RSOLOWONIUK@xxxxxxx>
  • To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:14:12 -0600

Hi Yardbird,

Did you try to change it to "speak" in the Insert+V menu? It should stay on
that choice for all web pages without doing anything in the configuration
manager.

Cheers,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS

Benjamin,
yes, it's only in Jaws 8 that it does this announcement. But with the close
button dealie. Someone says it's virtualized. Well, so it is, as I saw when
I inspected the top items in the Insert V menu on one such Web page. But
that's all a mystery to me, and I'll go on bearing with it unless someone
will say where in the Configuration manager I might be able to toggle it
permanently to speech? Huh? anybody?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS


What I find odd about JAWS's behaviour as you describe it is not that it
announces the existence of feeds, but that you have to press a key to
continue. I'm not sure what the point of requiring a keypress would be.

Version 7 introduced built-in support for subscribing to feeds to Internet
Explorer. So I doubt JAWS would announce the presence of feeds with Internet
Explorer 6. I'd hope it would announce the presence of feeds with Firefox
1.5 and later, which also have built-in feed support, but the manual is
silent on that point. The manual's instructions about actually subscribing
to feeds with ALT + J describe an Internet Explorer interface, not a JAWS
one.

In Firefox, you would go to the Bookmarks menu and select "Subscribe to this
page". You can also configure Firefox, as I do, to send feed subscriptions
to an external feed collecting service such as Bloglines so that your list
of subscriptions is not tied to your local machine.
Brief instructions for that can be found at:

http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/menu#bookmarkssubscribe

http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/options#feeds

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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Yardbird wrote:
> Benjamin,
>
> First of all, thank you for reprinting all those Jaws instructions, 
> which will be helpful in my learning to use RSS technology. I'm 
> already a skillful user of the podcatcher Juice, and I understand that 
> the RSS routine is very similar in principle. It didn't occur to me to 
> look for instructions in a Jaws help topic, because I didn't think 
> Jaws had any part in this matter except for speaking that message.
>
> But I'd like to make clear that I don't think either RSS or the 
> notification is senseless, per se. I didn't know that it was Jaws that 
> displays that notice including a button that has to be pressed in 
> order to close the message. I don't think it was odd of me to have 
> felt confused by this. I also wish that, if this was a purely Jaws 
> feature intended to be helpful, that there would have been more of a 
> message, pointing the user to something besides closing the message. 
> Just a few words about where to look for instructions, for instance. 
> Had it not been for you, I might never have found the information 
> below.
>
> Thanks very much.
> thanks ,
>
> Last, is this procedure only possible as described if you're using IE 
> 7, or is it possible to do the RSS thing according to these 
> instructions in IE 6, as well? I know you can do RSS in IE 6, but I 
> don't know if the instructions would be the same, or if they even 
> exist in Jaws for use with that version of the browser.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:51 AM
> Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS
>
>
> It's not senseless; it's an audio equivalent to the visual 
> notification that browsers provide to sighted users when a feed is
present.
>
> Here's what the JAWS manual says about the subject:
>
>> Feeds
>>
>> A Web feed is a way to subscribe to your favorite Web sites and 
>> receive updated content. This content can consist of headlines, 
>> articles, podcasts, summaries, and so on. Internet Explorer 
>> constantly scans the Web pages that you visit to see if they support 
>> Web feeds. If a page supports a Web feed, JAWS will announce, "RSS Feeds
available."
>>
>
>> Adding a Feed
>>
>> To add a feed, do the following: Press ALT+J and then press ENTER to 
>> view feeds on the page. Select Plus button subscribe to this feed.
>> Choose Subscribe. Viewing a List of Feeds
>>
>> To verify that the feed was added, do the following: Press CTRL+J to 
>> open the Feeds tree view. Use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to locate the 
>> newly added feed in the Feeds list.
>
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>
> Yardbird wrote:
>> you mean that's how you can respond to that pop-up announcement that 
>> comes up as a page is trying to load, with a button to close it 
>> (Escape works, too)? Just press control J if you want to? How come 
>> there aren't any instructions right on that pop-up? It seems like 
>> such a senseless thing (I can see that it's a pop-up, masking the 
>> page that's loading). Weird stuff.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Russell Solowoniuk" <RSOLOWONIUK@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:11 PM
>> Subject: RE: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>>
>> One more short cut key I use is when I hear Jaws say RSS feed I press
>> Alt+J
>> to subscribe to the feed if it is one I'm interested in.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Kelly Ford
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Although it isn't JAWS specific, there is a quick reference guide to 
>> IE7 at 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/quickref.mspx.
>>
>> The most common hotkeys I use include:
>>
>> Ctrl+t to open a new tab.
>> Ctrl+shift+q to list all open tabs.
>> Ctrl+j to list RSS feeds I've subscribed to.
>> Ctrl+e to put focus in the search box
>>
>> Some settings changes you may want to make:
>>
>> 1. Have IE play a sound when an RSS feed is detected by opening 
>> Internet Options, selecting the content tab and then feed settings.  
>> There's a check box to have a sound played.
>> 2. You may also want to explore some of the tab settings.  You can 
>> ensure that you only get one IE window open all the time by making 
>> some adjustments as to whether new pop-ups open in a new tab, a new 
>> window or if IE decides.
>> Personally I set this to open in a new tab.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of Yardbird
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:10 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>> Hi Allen,
>>
>> On this topic, may I ask how difficult it is to learn how to use IE 7 
>> if you
>>
>> install it? With Jaws V. 8.0.2107, of course, is what I'm talking about.
>> I've heard that it's only got a few features that a person would have 
>> to learn, like this thing about tabbed windows, but even then, what 
>> I'd like to
>>
>> know is, is there a place you can go to simply read some instructions 
>> for how to use the new browser, specifically with Jaws as your access
tool?
>> I'd
>> love to consider finally switching over (upgrading, I guess we're 
>> supposed to say) because I heard in the FS podcast that IE 7 works 
>> really nicely with
>>
>> RSS feeds, and that's an area I'd like to learn how to work with, soon.
>>
>> thanks for any helpful suggestions.
>>
>> All best,
>> The Bird
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allan Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:18 PM
>> Subject: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>>
>> hi,
>> for me, it is working fine out of the box. the only setting that i've 
>> made is to change the default search engine to google instead of msn 
>> search by default.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Allan Wong
>> 3M Technology
>>
>> ** If I said something wrong, please forgive me, as English is not my 
>> native, I'm sorry.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Vicki" <amethyst17@xxxxxxx>
>> To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 04:03
>> Subject: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>>
>> I'm just now getting ready to install IE 7, and I'm using JAWS 8. Are 
>> there any settings I should change in IE 7 to make it work better 
>> with JAWS?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Vicki
>>
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