Re: IE 7 and JAWS

  • From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:25:06 -0700

Benjamin,
yes, it's only in Jaws 8 that it does this announcement. But with the close 
button dealie. Someone says it's virtualized. Well, so it is, as I saw when 
I inspected the top items in the Insert V menu on one such Web page. But 
that's all a mystery to me, and I'll go on bearing with it unless someone 
will say where in the Configuration manager I might be able to toggle it 
permanently to speech? Huh? anybody?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS


What I find odd about JAWS's behaviour as you describe it is not that it
announces the existence of feeds, but that you have to press a key to
continue. I'm not sure what the point of requiring a keypress would be.

Version 7 introduced built-in support for subscribing to feeds to
Internet Explorer. So I doubt JAWS would announce the presence of feeds
with Internet Explorer 6. I'd hope it would announce the presence of
feeds with Firefox 1.5 and later, which also have built-in feed support,
but the manual is silent on that point. The manual's instructions about
actually subscribing to feeds with ALT + J describe an Internet Explorer
interface, not a JAWS one.

In Firefox, you would go to the Bookmarks menu and select "Subscribe to
this page". You can also configure Firefox, as I do, to send feed
subscriptions to an external feed collecting service such as Bloglines
so that your list of subscriptions is not tied to your local machine.
Brief instructions for that can be found at:

http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/menu#bookmarkssubscribe

http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/options#feeds

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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Yardbird wrote:
> Benjamin,
>
> First of all, thank you for reprinting all those Jaws instructions, which
> will be helpful in my learning to use RSS technology. I'm already a 
> skillful
> user of the podcatcher Juice, and I understand that the RSS routine is 
> very
> similar in principle. It didn't occur to me to look for instructions in a
> Jaws help topic, because I didn't think Jaws had any part in this matter
> except for speaking that message.
>
> But I'd like to make clear that I don't think either RSS or the 
> notification
> is senseless, per se. I didn't know that it was Jaws that displays that
> notice including a button that has to be pressed in order to close the
> message. I don't think it was odd of me to have felt confused by this. I
> also wish that, if this was a purely Jaws feature intended to be helpful,
> that there would have been more of a message, pointing the user to 
> something
> besides closing the message. Just a few words about where to look for
> instructions, for instance. Had it not been for you, I might never have
> found the information below.
>
> Thanks very much.
> thanks ,
>
> Last, is this procedure only possible as described if you're using IE 7, 
> or
> is it possible to do the RSS thing according to these instructions in IE 
> 6,
> as well? I know you can do RSS in IE 6, but I don't know if the 
> instructions
> would be the same, or if they even exist in Jaws for use with that version
> of the browser.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:51 AM
> Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS
>
>
> It's not senseless; it's an audio equivalent to the visual notification
> that browsers provide to sighted users when a feed is present.
>
> Here's what the JAWS manual says about the subject:
>
>> Feeds
>>
>> A Web feed is a way to subscribe to your favorite Web sites and
>> receive updated content. This content can consist of headlines,
>> articles, podcasts, summaries, and so on. Internet Explorer constantly
>> scans the Web pages that you visit to see if they support Web feeds. If
>> a page supports a Web feed, JAWS will announce, "RSS Feeds available."
>>
>
>> Adding a Feed
>>
>> To add a feed, do the following: Press ALT+J and then press ENTER to
>> view feeds on the page. Select Plus button subscribe to this feed.
>> Choose Subscribe. Viewing a List of Feeds
>>
>> To verify that the feed was added, do the following: Press CTRL+J to
>> open the Feeds tree view. Use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to locate the
>> newly added feed in the
>> Feeds list.
>
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>
> Yardbird wrote:
>> you mean that's how you can respond to that pop-up announcement that 
>> comes
>> up as a page is trying to load, with a button to close it (Escape works,
>> too)? Just press control J if you want to? How come there aren't any
>> instructions right on that pop-up? It seems like such a senseless thing 
>> (I
>> can see that it's a pop-up, masking the page that's loading). Weird 
>> stuff.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Russell Solowoniuk" <RSOLOWONIUK@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:11 PM
>> Subject: RE: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>>
>> One more short cut key I use is when I hear Jaws say RSS feed I press
>> Alt+J
>> to subscribe to the feed if it is one I'm interested in.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Kelly Ford
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Although it isn't JAWS specific, there is a quick reference guide to IE7
>> at
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/quickref.mspx.
>>
>> The most common hotkeys I use include:
>>
>> Ctrl+t to open a new tab.
>> Ctrl+shift+q to list all open tabs.
>> Ctrl+j to list RSS feeds I've subscribed to.
>> Ctrl+e to put focus in the search box
>>
>> Some settings changes you may want to make:
>>
>> 1. Have IE play a sound when an RSS feed is detected by opening Internet
>> Options, selecting the content tab and then feed settings.  There's a
>> check
>> box to have a sound played.
>> 2. You may also want to explore some of the tab settings.  You can ensure
>> that you only get one IE window open all the time by making some
>> adjustments
>> as to whether new pop-ups open in a new tab, a new window or if IE
>> decides.
>> Personally I set this to open in a new tab.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Yardbird
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:10 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>> Hi Allen,
>>
>> On this topic, may I ask how difficult it is to learn how to use IE 7 if
>> you
>>
>> install it? With Jaws V. 8.0.2107, of course, is what I'm talking about.
>> I've heard that it's only got a few features that a person would have to
>> learn, like this thing about tabbed windows, but even then, what I'd like
>> to
>>
>> know is, is there a place you can go to simply read some instructions for
>> how to use the new browser, specifically with Jaws as your access tool?
>> I'd
>> love to consider finally switching over (upgrading, I guess we're 
>> supposed
>> to say) because I heard in the FS podcast that IE 7 works really nicely
>> with
>>
>> RSS feeds, and that's an area I'd like to learn how to work with, soon.
>>
>> thanks for any helpful suggestions.
>>
>> All best,
>> The Bird
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allan Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:18 PM
>> Subject: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>>
>> hi,
>> for me, it is working fine out of the box. the only setting that i've 
>> made
>> is to change the default search engine to google instead
>> of msn search by default.
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Allan Wong
>> 3M Technology
>>
>> ** If I said something wrong, please forgive me, as English is not my
>> native, I'm sorry.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Vicki" <amethyst17@xxxxxxx>
>> To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 04:03
>> Subject: IE 7 and JAWS
>>
>>
>> I'm just now getting ready to install IE 7, and I'm using JAWS 8. Are
>> there
>> any settings I should change in IE 7 to make it work better with JAWS?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Vicki
>>
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