yes sarah's book can be in many forms I have cd,but it covers vista as
well as windows 7, and was very late being published,a lotof the work was
done by david griffiths a vip rnib man well known in Uk,I fear I have not
listened to my cd'syet but may put in cd player and listen in bed,or
garden of course on computer makes more sense I know but need to escape
from computer summer is so short after all dorothy
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From: "john R. Vaughn" <jrvaughn44@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Jaws and windows 7
Adrian, good point. This particular book can be provided in a number of
formats. I got my book on CD and listen to it on my computer as I listen,
learn and experiment.
John
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:16 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Jaws and windows 7
Yadiel, NBP's address may create the misapprehension that everything they
sell is in braille but, although that's the organization's focus, most of
their publications have text file and other equivalents. Here's the
address
you asked for:
www.braille.com
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yadiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:00 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Jaws and windows 7
Hello John:
Thanks for the tips. Can you send me the link fro the website where you
bought the tutorial? Also I use windows life mail and it works fine. That
said it is not perfect. I still have a lot of issues with the contact
list. I have outlook 2007. But I'm afraid of using it. Do you need a new
account or can you use an existing hotmail or gmail account in order to
use
outlook?
Again, thanks for your help.
Yadiel
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From: "john R. Vaughn" <jrvaughn44@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:40 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Jaws and windows 7
Yadiel
Jaws works very well with windows 7 and if you install it, I know
there are a number of us who have been using it for a good while to
offer help.
there are some good free tutorial information that is also available
from Microsoft as well as a book/tutorial on CD I purchased a month
ago from the National Braille Press and have about completed. All of
this has been very helpful.
I find that windows 7 is faster, not likely to crash and gives an
overall better experience than the windows Vista I upgraded from in
January, 2010.
I am using Office 2003 with Windows and use Outlook for E mail. In
Windows
7 there is no longer available Outlook Express from Windows XP or
Windows Mail in Windows Vista. The free E mail client you can install
from Microsoft is called Windows Live Mail and so far does not work
very well. And Freedom Scientific has not written scripts for it.
That said, it is not nearly as efficient to use as the previous mail
clients. That is why I have gone to Outlook and having to learn that
product.
Others have gone to other free E mail clients like Thunderbird.
good luck with your decisions.
John
John
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yadiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
Hello again everyone:
I've heard it mention here and I really want some opinions. Is FS
going to take out the support for XP? Also, how does JFW works with
windows 7? I'm looking to upgrade my computer. And it seems that if FS
takes out the support for XP I'll do it anyways. Any tips and tricks for
win 7?
Yadiel
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From: "Yadiel" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:06 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
Hello everyone:
Consider me old school, but I love the 2003 and earlier menu view. I
hate the ribbon and how you interact with it. I think that FS is
doing a great job by creating that "virtual ribbon". It will make it
easier for peaple like me to interact with 2007 and 2010 programs. But
here's my problem.
It
is called a "virtual ribbon". How are we suppose to work with it. It
is still a ribbon. Isn't it? If anybody has already jaws 12 can you
explain this to me? I'm quite lost here.
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From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:23 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
Hmmmh. I'd like to see Jaws behave itself when it encounters the
ribbon in other non-microsoft applications that incorporate the
ribbon. Apparently, there are lots of developers out there who are
crazy about the ribbon interface and consider themselves as being
"hip"; "up with the times"; modern, when they put it in their apps
using something like c-sharp and the windows forms features of
visual studio dot net. I have yet to encounter an application that
was not made by microsoft whose ribbon interface was accessible.
Has anyone experienced anything to the contrary? It is appalling to
me that this should be so three years after the interface has been
around. I am sick and tired of having to use outdated methods of
interfacing with software because A.T. vendors can't keep up. How
many years was Windows out before we could migrate to it from DOS?
I think it was like 1996 or something before something truly viable
came out as a screen reader and that was already after windows 3.1,
3.11 and Windows
95 had come out. Look at Apple's macIntosh computers. A
little-remembered factoid for you guys not old enough to have messed
with pc's in the mid 80's is that Apple computers were among the
first to be usable by a blind person. There was something called an
Echo2 which was a speaker that plugged into something else called an
Apple II E computer. This worked as a speech synthesizer and then
you'd run a program called Bex (Oh, lord but that was a horrible
program and the speech output was just horrrid! Horrid!) but, you
could write documents and such with it. Us kids thought we were
regular geeks using it! When apple released the MacIntosh, however,
noone cared to make it accessible. No blind person could use it
until Apple themselves coded a built-in screen reader. Nobody else
cared to tackle it even though it's one of the most user-friendly
operating systems ever to hit the market.
Perhaps the ribbon interface other developers can code into the
system is dependent on UIA and it's hard to use because Jaws poorly
supports it. I hope this also is something that changes in Jaws 12.
Pardon my rant.
Have a nice day and thanks for the post.
alex M
On 8/3/10, Delaunay Christophe <christophe.delaunay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi,
Several things may help you get what sighted people see on your
screen.
(1) Turn off virtual cursor. With real cursor, you won't get
anything
outside the screen.
(2) Pres <insert+v>. Then, arrow down to "Document presentation".
In
the
tree view on the left of the screen, this item is just under
"General options". Then press the space bar to hear "Screen layout"
and <enter> to save your settings. This time, you have a quite poor
geometric representation of the screen layout but if what you want
is to "see"
what
sighted people see, it's better than nothing.
(3) If you have a braille display, put it in "line" mode and "8
pixles
per space". This way, the braille display presents the text like it
is written on the screen. Of course, it is far from being perfect
yet but you can definitely know which part of text is above or
below which other.
I know that we are far yet from what Papenmeier did with their
famous WinDOTS screen reader for windows 3.11 but who cares really?
Seems that nobody does because WinDOTS was a real flop.
HTH. Have a nice day. Chris D
rom: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
Sent: mardi 3 août 2010 14:36
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Preview of JAWS 12
Gerald,
Speaking of the workplace one thing I would *really* like to see is
JAWS actually reading what is on the screen as viewed by the
Sightlings.
(LOL)
Even with JAWS 11 folks ask "where on Earth is JAWS reading fromn?".
Cy, The Anasazi
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:50 AM
To: JFW list
Subject: Preview of JAWS 12
Here's a brief preview of JAWS 12 I just came across:
by Curtis Chong
In early July, I attended a three-hour session conducted by Freedom
Scientific during which the company provided a sneak preview of
JAWS for Windows Version 12. Freedom Scientific has been working on
this newest release of JAWS for more than a year, and it is hoped
that JAWS 12 will be released before the end of 2010.
Long-time JAWS users will be interested to know that in JAWS 12,
Freedom Scientific proposes to replace the familiar JAWS
Configuration Manager with something called the Settings Center. In
the Settings Center, you can search for the setting that you want
to change and then simply make the change. It is no longer
necessary to explore a variety of menus to track down where, for
example, you can change the level of punctuation that JAWS speaks
or increase the speaking rate of JAWS. Also, in the Settings
Center, your last 25 changes will be displayed at the bottom of the
tree view, making it easier for you to fix a setting that might
have been adjusted incorrectly or adjust settings that you change
frequently.
Another feature included in JAWS 12 is the ability to operate your
computer from the Braille keyboard of any connected refreshable
Braille display.
Using
the Braille keys, you can enter any character that would be entered
through a standard QWERTY keyboard, and this includes all JAWS
commands as well.
Also, a proficient Grade II Braille user will be able to enter text
in contracted Braille and have the result reverse-translated on the
fly. I do not see much value in this feature for me, personally,
but I hesitate to criticize the investment in time and effort that
has been made by Freedom Scientific; I simply do not know how many
Braille users out there have been longing to operate their computer
from a Braille keyboard.
The final noteworthy feature in JAWS 12 is the ability to use a
Virtual Ribbon in Microsoft Office. Some blind computer users have
expressed frustration with the ribbon that has been incorporated
into Microsoft Office 2007 and now into Office 2010. What Freedom
Scientific is proposing for JAWS 12 is to give the Office user the
choice of whether to use the ribbon as is or to
use
the Virtual Ribbon provided by JAWS. This Virtual Ribbon provides a
user experience that feels more like the traditional menus with
which a lot of people are familiar. Time will tell whether this
feature is worth the investment.
As
for
me, since I feel quite comfortable with the Office ribbon as it is,
I will probably choose not to use the JAWS Virtual Ribbon that
comes with JAWS 12.
In all, JAWS 12 seems like a bit of an improvement over JAWS 11.
Certainly,
Freedom Scientific has incorporated some new features which some
people will like. As for me, I would wish for features in JAWS
which make it easier for blind people to compete in the
workplace-something which Freedom Scientific seems to have lost
sight of over the years.
Gerald
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