Re: Fw: Comments on Mozilla content keyboard navigation proposal
- From: "Sean M McMahon" <smcmahon@xxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:03:55 -0700
To the author of this message. Sorry for the public reply but I can't
make lotus show me the message headers. I'm not on the mozilla
accessibility list but you may forward my post reguarding keyboard access
and mozilla.
"david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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would you mind posting to the mozilla accessibility list?
Johnnie Apple Seed
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From: "Sean M McMahon" <smcmahon@xxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: Fw: Comments on Mozilla content keyboard navigation proposal
Open source is another reason why I love good-old lynx the cat. Yes it
lacks some modern support but it does have a few great functions. One:
numbering of form fields and links where a person can just go to the
numbered item. Two: you can expand all items in a combobox so a person
can see all items without selecting one option. That's a critical feature
when you encounter comboboxes which automatically select an item and go to
a different webpage with out your consent, see the creative labs site
www.creative.com and click on download drivers to see this in action.
Finally, Lynx has a settable option you can explicately hit enter to go
into a mode where you can input data into a form. I think we're all a
little fed-up with IE domination. I applaud your efforts.
"david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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proposal
Johnnie Apple Seed
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From: "Peter Korn" <Peter.Korn@xxxxxxx>
To: <mozilla-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Comments on Mozilla content keyboard navigation proposal
Greetings all,
In the past 4 days we've had a very creative, thoughtful, and spirited
discussion about Mozilla content interaction from the keyboard, inspired
by
the Mozilla content keyboard navigation proposal from Sun. This is
wonderful,
and one of the things I believe many of us working on open source
accessibility have hoped for - that the process of developing
accessibility
can be much more two way, and more on a peer-to-peer/participatory basis
than
it tends to be in the proprietary desktops.
Looking over all of the messages on this thread, I'd like to try to tease
out
the key themes, in no particular order:
1. Preserving basic character navigation across the web page is good
(e.g. arrows, Ctrl-arrows, Home/End/PgUp/PgDn) - they should behave
as they do in word processors and the like.
2. Structural navigation is good. Moving from header to header,
sub-header
to sub-header, etc.
3. Forms are tricky, and we need some clear way for a user to get into
and out of forms. No real concensus seems to have emerged yet on
what this should be.
4. Table navigation is very important. Moving up/down columns in a
table
is important. Having the screen reader "do the right thing" in those
instances (read the entire row probably) is important.
5. Configurability, at least of the non-basic character movement keys,
is important.
6. This isn't just about Mozilla on UNIX/Linux; Mozilla on Windows is
as affected by what we're doing.
7. We need to keep in mind what folks are coming from (e.g. JAWS + IE).
8. This discussion is generating some interesting and perhaps novel
ideas ("zooming"), though no concensus is emerging on them, let
alone widespread understanding of them.
Have I missed any of the major themes in my summary above?
In addition to comments falling into these big themes, there has also been
a
lot of excellent specific feedback on the proposal (keyboard command
suggestions, etc.), most notably from our friends at IBM.
I'd like to remind everyone that I've requested a comment deadline of 24
September. While I have no fear that we won't get sufficient feedback by
that
time (judging by how much we've seen in just 4 days), it would be very
helpful
if in the next days we could:
a. Find any major themes I may have missed, to ensure we don't miss 'em.
b. Push more for concensus, where possible. Where it isn't possible,
then
those who do the implementation work - the keyboard accessibility
maintainers of mozilla in "open source parlance" - will simply have
to make implementation decisions based on their best understandings
of what to do informed by all of this excellent feedback. Of course
theme #5 above ("configurability is important") may go a long way
toward
addressing implementation(s) that a given user might disagree with...
Thank you again for all of your excellent feedback.
Keep it coming!
Regards,
Peter Korn
Sun Accessibility team
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