thank you that was well put! nicer than I elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:50 PMSubject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
I think this is because you touch a nerve making a statement saying the blind should leave such advanced things to a sighted person. Many blind persons fiercely defend their independence and have a real gut reaction to such statements. I am one of them. My hackles go up when a person says a blind person should leave something up to a sighted person. I have more computer skills than most of my sighted acquaintances and don't want to go having tofix what they screwed up. I have had to do that more than once.There is always a difference opinion on what is accessible and what is not. Some feel that if you have to poke around an application with the jaws cursor then it is not accessible while others take poking around with the jaws cursor for granted. Some blind people ride bicycles, climb mountains and feel that the risks involved are a part of life while others restrict themselves to very safe lifestyles not venturing out. It is the individuals choice whether they want to ride the merry-Go-Round or the Rollercoaster.Tom Bisset -----Original Message-----From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John MartynSent: March 11, 2011 4:21 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSThis issue obviously has some disagreement and has turned into some kind of ajenda to be correct and find fault in what I am saying. I suggest we agreeto disagree. Yes, it's possible to partition things using jaws. It hasstrayed far from any worthwhile content though. I'm not going to sit around and argue with what could be possible. My only point is, get some help whendoing such things like the more advanced techniques. It is just safer to admit needing help and that is OK. This doesn't need to be mission impossible, just chill out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSYour mistake is that you are suggesting that the risks involved are related to being blind, when in fact the risks about playing with partitions are equal for anybody. As a Microsoft technician you will know all about diskpart which is fully accessible with relatively old versions of JAWS under Windows Vista and 7 (can't speak for older windowsversions). You don't do yourself any favours wiht your wording of commentsas you actually sound quite rude. Peter -----Original Message----- From: John Martyn Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:03 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS I can tell this rubs you the wrong way, however, the examples given are from very few individuals. Just because it is not impossible doesn't mean thataccessibility is not an issue. So you can jaws cursor around in windows toachieve the desired results. The problem with graphical representation is not the same. I have had actual sight of what you are actually accessing and I'm here to tell you the way information is sorted is not always left to right top to bottom. Unless you know how volumes are structured and howpartitions work, you are going to have some difficulty. You're speaking toa Microsoft engineer and a data recovery specialist. I do know what I am talking about and because it seems possible is no reason to blast thisinformation like it is easy to do. I mean no insult to people, but it justamazes me what the blind tend to tinker with when it comes to jawsaccessibility. So it sounds like I am making it impossible, it only soundsthat way. You make it sound so simple. That is my argument. There should besome caution to this area. While you are correct is saying it is possible,I wasn't knocking that. In this instance, it is safer to have someone sighted assist. I understand you're agitation when it comes to someone saying youcan't do something, that is merely trying to not be labeled as helpless. Istill suggest someone gets help when dealing with complicated tasks such as this one. Some jaws user in the future might decide that it is possible andtherefor simple to do, then go off and damage something. I like accessiblethings as many do, but we're not talking about some toolbar or a google forms mode here. Bottom line is, it's good to hear both sides of things. regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSyou may, but I know of several folks that have done this with little problem. what I object to is in your prior messages you make it sound ridiculous and impossible for someone without site to do this. WRONG! ANSWER! and though your messages are growing less irritating since you have been told time and again that such modifications can be done without assistance, you still make it sound so'o'o'o'o! hard too do *sigh* Yes a person should be warned about the possible loss of data and urgedto do a backup JIC, that's what it is, just in case! not because you willfrack it up if you do it yourself. it's not that hard as a large number of folks on several lists can attest! good day, inthaneelf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSIt's understandable that you can do that. What the issue was is resizinga partition. I still think it's funny to play with such powerful software being blind. I'm not dissing someone that can do it, I just think it can be a little dangerous even for an average user. I don't count on everyone being some technical genius so it's best to caution someone about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSpardon me?! although it takes some learning what goes where, and a bit of jaws cursoring, I can do any of the needed items on a windows machine. and I am a totalI just what, two days ago partitioned and did the initial formatting ona TByte drive that I picked up on sale, just stuck it in the slot I keep open and ready to wire on one of my boxes, and went through the procedure. so, I disagree with real-time practical experience behind me, the elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSUh, hi. My wife laughed so hard when I told her how crazy it is you areplaying with partitioning software, but I felt I had to answer. I knowthat the windows disk management is semi accessible. Partition magicisn't going to help much because I've tried it. You are probably goingto need some help with this one dude. Blind people aren't meant to play partition games with other reindeer. I don't mean to be rudolph but that is just insane. Write back if you find anything. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:47 AM Subject: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSHello Everyone: As I have mentioned before, I purchased 2 new SATA internal hard drives, 2 TB capacity. I used an disk image program called Image for Windows, which is veryaccessible using JAWS, to create an image of my existing aging 160 GBIDE drive. I intend to use Image for Windows, to restore the disk image to one of the 2 TB drives. However, when I have done that, there will be an unallocated partition containing the remaining available free space for that drive. What disk partitioning software can I use, that is accessible using JAWS, to resize the newly created partition and create, allocate and format the remaining extended partition for that drive? Thanks in anticipation. Cave Durber -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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