Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

  • From: "Yadiel Sotomayor" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:31:32 -0400

I am going to get a beating for answering this, but very well actually. But you must instal the drivers. But alas, I haven't gotten enough time with it. I will soon though.


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From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:26 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

How well does windows run on the Mac? I've heard it doesn't work that well.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:06 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

Now that the disk partition has gone out of line, can we stop it. But
before, has anyone seen the boot camp from the mac? Now that is accessible.
In fact, I am learning how to use it since soon I will be switching to a
Mac, but I want windows, so I will have to partition a hardrive and instal
windows on the newly partitioned hardrive. That way I can keep jaws while I
learn the Mac software.

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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:50 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

I think this is because you touch a nerve making a statement saying the
blind should leave such advanced things to a sighted person.  Many blind
persons fiercely defend their independence and have a real gut reaction to

such statements.  I am one of them.
My hackles go up when a person says a blind person should leave something
up to a sighted person.
I have more computer skills than most of my sighted acquaintances and
don't want to go having to
fix what they screwed up.  I have had to do that more than once.
There is always a difference opinion on what is accessible and what is
not.
Some feel that if you have to poke around an application with the jaws
cursor then it is not accessible while others take poking around with the
jaws cursor for granted.
Some blind people ride bicycles, climb mountains and feel that the risks
involved are a part of life while others restrict themselves to very safe
lifestyles not venturing out.
It is the individuals choice whether they want to ride the merry-Go-Round
or the Rollercoaster.

Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf

Of John Martyn
Sent: March 11, 2011 4:21 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using

JAWS

This issue obviously has some disagreement and has turned into some kind
of
ajenda to be correct and find fault in what I am saying. I suggest we
agree
to disagree. Yes, it's possible to partition things using jaws. It has
strayed far from any worthwhile content though. I'm not going to sit
around
and argue with what could be possible. My only point is, get some help
when
doing such things like the more advanced techniques. It is just safer to
admit needing help and that is OK. This doesn't need to be mission
impossible, just chill out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


Your mistake is that you are suggesting that the risks involved are
related to being blind, when in fact the risks about playing with
partitions are equal for anybody. As a Microsoft technician you will know all about diskpart which is fully accessible with relatively old versions
of JAWS under Windows Vista and 7 (can't speak for older windows
versions). You don't do yourself any favours wiht your wording of
comments
as you actually sound quite rude.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:03 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

I can tell this rubs you the wrong way, however, the examples given are
from
very few individuals. Just because it is not impossible doesn't mean that
accessibility is not an issue. So you can jaws cursor around in windows
to
achieve the desired results. The problem with graphical representation is
not the same. I have had actual sight of what you are actually accessing
and
I'm here to tell you the way information is sorted is not always left to
right top to bottom. Unless you know how volumes are structured and how
partitions work, you are going to have some difficulty. You're speaking
to
a
Microsoft engineer and a data recovery specialist. I do know what I am
talking about and because it seems possible is no reason to blast this
information like it is easy to do. I mean no insult to people, but it
just
amazes me what the blind tend to tinker with when it comes to jaws
accessibility. So it sounds like I am making it impossible, it only
sounds
that way. You make it sound so simple. That is my argument. There should
be
some caution to this area. While you are correct is saying it is
possible,
I
wasn't knocking that. In this instance, it is safer to have someone
sighted
assist. I understand you're agitation when it comes to someone saying you
can't do something, that is merely trying to not be labeled as helpless.
I
still suggest someone gets help when dealing with complicated tasks such
as
this one. Some jaws user in the future might decide that it is possible
and
therefor simple to do, then go off and damage something. I like
accessible
things as many do, but we're not talking about some toolbar or a google
forms mode here. Bottom line is, it's good to hear both sides of things.
regards,
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


you may, but I know of several folks that have done this with little
problem.

what I object to is in your prior messages you make it sound ridiculous
and impossible for someone without site to do this. WRONG! ANSWER!

and though your messages are growing less irritating since you have been
told time and again that such modifications can be done without
assistance, you still make it sound so'o'o'o'o! hard too do *sigh*

Yes a person should be warned about the possible loss of data and urged
to do a backup JIC, that's what it is, just in case! not because you
will
frack it up if you do it yourself.

it's not that hard as a large number of folks on several lists can
attest!

good day,
inthaneelf
Moderator, Blind Access Help
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


It's understandable that you can do that. What the issue was is
resizing
a partition. I still think it's funny to play with such powerful
software being blind. I'm not dissing someone that can do it, I just
think it can be a little dangerous even for an average user. I don't
count on everyone being some technical genius so it's best to caution
someone about it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


pardon me?!

although it takes some learning what goes where, and a bit of jaws
cursoring, I can do any of the needed items on a windows machine.

and I am a total

I just what, two days ago partitioned and did the initial formatting
on
a TByte drive that I picked up on sale, just stuck it in the slot I
keep open and ready to wire on one of my boxes, and went through the
procedure.

so, I disagree with real-time practical experience behind me,
the elf
Moderator, Blind Access Help
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
- own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
www.alacorncomputer.com
proprietor, The Grab Bag,
for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


Uh, hi.
My wife laughed so hard when I told her how crazy it is you are
playing with partitioning software, but I felt I had to answer. I
know
that the windows disk management is semi accessible. Partition magic
isn't going to help much because I've tried it. You are probably
going
to need some help with this one dude. Blind people aren't meant to
play partition games with other reindeer. I don't mean to be rudolph
but that is just insane. Write back if you find anything. lol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:47 AM
Subject: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


Hello Everyone:

As I have mentioned before, I purchased 2 new SATA internal hard
drives, 2
TB capacity.

I used an disk image program called Image for Windows, which is very
accessible using JAWS, to create an image of my existing aging 160
GB
IDE
drive.

I intend to use Image for Windows, to restore the disk image to one
of the 2
TB drives.

However, when I have done that, there will be an unallocated
partition
containing the remaining available free space for that drive.

What disk partitioning software can I use, that is accessible using
JAWS, to
resize the newly created partition and create, allocate  and format
the
remaining extended partition for that drive?

Thanks in anticipation.

Cave Durber

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