Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

  • From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:58:34 -0800

Drew,

Careful. I see no relevance to JAWS at all in your question. Perhaps there's 
a computer list that can help?

Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio 
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:26
Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible 
using JAWS


How well does windows run on the Mac? I've heard it doesn't work that well.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:06 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

Now that the disk partition has gone out of line, can we stop it. But
before, has anyone seen the boot camp from the mac? Now that is accessible.
In fact, I am learning how to use it since soon I will be switching to a
Mac, but I want windows, so I will have to partition a hardrive and instal
windows on the newly partitioned hardrive. That way I can keep jaws while I
learn the Mac software.

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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:50 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

> I think this is because you touch a nerve making a statement saying the
> blind should leave such advanced things to a sighted person.  Many blind
> persons fiercely defend their independence and have a real gut reaction to

> such statements.  I am one of them.
> My hackles go up when a person says a blind person should leave something
> up to a sighted person.
> I have more computer skills than most of my sighted acquaintances and
> don't want to go having to
> fix what they screwed up.  I have had to do that more than once.
> There is always a difference opinion on what is accessible and what is
> not.
> Some feel that if you have to poke around an application with the jaws
> cursor then it is not accessible while others take poking around with the
> jaws cursor for granted.
> Some blind people ride bicycles, climb mountains and feel that the risks
> involved are a part of life while others restrict themselves to very safe
> lifestyles not venturing out.
> It is the individuals choice whether they want to ride the merry-Go-Round
> or the Rollercoaster.
>
> Tom Bisset
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf

> Of John Martyn
> Sent: March 11, 2011 4:21 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using

> JAWS
>
> This issue obviously has some disagreement and has turned into some kind
> of
> ajenda to be correct and find fault in what I am saying. I suggest we
> agree
> to disagree. Yes, it's possible to partition things using jaws. It has
> strayed far from any worthwhile content though. I'm not going to sit
> around
> and argue with what could be possible. My only point is, get some help
> when
> doing such things like the more advanced techniques. It is just safer to
> admit needing help and that is OK. This doesn't need to be mission
> impossible, just chill out.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>
>
>> Your mistake is that you are suggesting that the risks involved are
>> related to being blind, when in fact the risks about playing with
>> partitions are equal for anybody. As a Microsoft technician you will know
>> all about diskpart which is fully accessible with relatively old versions
>> of JAWS under Windows Vista and 7 (can't speak for older windows
>> versions). You don't do yourself any favours wiht your wording of
>> comments
>> as you actually sound quite rude.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Martyn
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:03 AM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>>
>> I can tell this rubs you the wrong way, however, the examples given are
>> from
>> very few individuals. Just because it is not impossible doesn't mean that
>> accessibility is not an issue. So you can jaws cursor around in windows
>> to
>> achieve the desired results. The problem with graphical representation is
>> not the same. I have had actual sight of what you are actually accessing
>> and
>> I'm here to tell you the way information is sorted is not always left to
>> right top to bottom. Unless you know how volumes are structured and how
>> partitions work, you are going to have some difficulty. You're speaking
>> to
>> a
>> Microsoft engineer and a data recovery specialist. I do know what I am
>> talking about and because it seems possible is no reason to blast this
>> information like it is easy to do. I mean no insult to people, but it
>> just
>> amazes me what the blind tend to tinker with when it comes to jaws
>> accessibility. So it sounds like I am making it impossible, it only
>> sounds
>> that way. You make it sound so simple. That is my argument. There should
>> be
>> some caution to this area. While you are correct is saying it is
>> possible,
>> I
>> wasn't knocking that. In this instance, it is safer to have someone
>> sighted
>> assist. I understand you're agitation when it comes to someone saying you
>> can't do something, that is merely trying to not be labeled as helpless.
>> I
>> still suggest someone gets help when dealing with complicated tasks such
>> as
>> this one. Some jaws user in the future might decide that it is possible
>> and
>> therefor simple to do, then go off and damage something. I like
>> accessible
>> things as many do, but we're not talking about some toolbar or a google
>> forms mode here. Bottom line is, it's good to hear both sides of things.
>> regards,
>> John
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>>
>>
>>> you may, but I know of several folks that have done this with little
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> what I object to is in your prior messages you make it sound ridiculous
>>> and impossible for someone without site to do this. WRONG! ANSWER!
>>>
>>> and though your messages are growing less irritating since you have been
>>> told time and again that such modifications can be done without
>>> assistance, you still make it sound so'o'o'o'o! hard too do *sigh*
>>>
>>> Yes a person should be warned about the possible loss of data and urged
>>> to do a backup JIC, that's what it is, just in case! not because you
>>> will
>>> frack it up if you do it yourself.
>>>
>>> it's not that hard as a large number of folks on several lists can
>>> attest!
>>>
>>> good day,
>>> inthaneelf
>>> Moderator, Blind Access Help
>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's understandable that you can do that. What the issue was is
>>>> resizing
>>>> a partition. I still think it's funny to play with such powerful
>>>> software being blind. I'm not dissing someone that can do it, I just
>>>> think it can be a little dangerous even for an average user. I don't
>>>> count on everyone being some technical genius so it's best to caution
>>>> someone about it.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> pardon me?!
>>>>>
>>>>> although it takes some learning what goes where, and a bit of jaws
>>>>> cursoring, I can do any of the needed items on a windows machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> and I am a total
>>>>>
>>>>> I just what, two days ago partitioned and did the initial formatting
>>>>> on
>>>>> a TByte drive that I picked up on sale, just stuck it in the slot I
>>>>> keep open and ready to wire on one of my boxes, and went through the
>>>>> procedure.
>>>>>
>>>>> so, I disagree with real-time practical experience behind me,
>>>>> the elf
>>>>> Moderator, Blind Access Help
>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, hi.
>>>>>> My wife laughed so hard when I told her how crazy it is you are
>>>>>> playing with partitioning software, but I felt I had to answer. I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> that the windows disk management is semi accessible. Partition magic
>>>>>> isn't going to help much because I've tried it. You are probably
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to need some help with this one dude. Blind people aren't meant to
>>>>>> play partition games with other reindeer. I don't mean to be rudolph
>>>>>> but that is just insane. Write back if you find anything. lol
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:47 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Everyone:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I have mentioned before, I purchased 2 new SATA internal hard
>>>>>>> drives, 2
>>>>>>> TB capacity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used an disk image program called Image for Windows, which is very
>>>>>>> accessible using JAWS, to create an image of my existing aging 160
>>>>>>> GB
>>>>>>> IDE
>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I intend to use Image for Windows, to restore the disk image to one
>>>>>>> of the 2
>>>>>>> TB drives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, when I have done that, there will be an unallocated
>>>>>>> partition
>>>>>>> containing the remaining available free space for that drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What disk partitioning software can I use, that is accessible using
>>>>>>> JAWS, to
>>>>>>> resize the newly created partition and create, allocate  and format
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> remaining extended partition for that drive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in anticipation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cave Durber
>>>>>>>
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