Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

  • From: "Yadiel Sotomayor" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:49:31 -0400

No problems... We all have a nerve or two and we (I include myself) sometimes hit those nerves without intention. One thing, keep the great job on rap city blind (or whatever the hell it is spelled). It is a great script and even though I prefer iTunes it is a great option for someone who is blind to be able and choose rapcity as a player thanks to your scripts.


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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:58 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

For those I did offend, I appologize. It was not my intentions to walk on the independence of others. I have only been blind since august of 2008 and this is a big learning experience for me. I am not familiar with the immediate feelings of those that have been blind longer. My wife says I have a tendancy to take control of computing issues like that guy from Saturday Night Live where the computer tech says Move, and then fixes the problem. I have spent more than a decade of network engineering and programming, so perhaps I have some reservations about those trying to access something like partitioning software. Once again, I am sorry and in the future I will be aware of such issues.
Thanks,
John Martyn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


For the record, I believe the last few messages in this thread have been a
shabby way to treat not only a fellow lister, but one who has devised an
application to make a difficult program, Rhapsody, easily accessible for
visually impaired computer users.

Each of us figures out our own standards of independence and the areas where we will be obsessive about it. In our individual professions, we will seek
maximum autonomy. In other areas, we ought to feel free to be grateful to
those who perform a service that would require so much of our time that
doing it ourselves would interfere with the rest of our lives. It is
misguided to berate a disabled person who says in his or her experience,
there may be limits. Any blind person who would love to drive a car on a
highway knows there are limits. Disagreeing with him or her factually is
fine, but this thread went philosophical on him, and that was unfair and
inappropriate. A man who goes to the trouble of developing a program to
assist others is on no merry-go-round.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of The Elf
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:33 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

thank you that was well put!

nicer than I elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer
Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the
might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab
Bag, for blind computer users and programmers
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

I think this is because you touch a nerve making a statement saying the
blind should leave such advanced things to a sighted person. Many blind
persons fiercely defend their independence and have a real gut reaction to
such statements. I am one of them. My hackles go up when a person says a
blind person should leave something up to a sighted person. I have more
computer skills than most of my sighted acquaintances and don't want to go
having to fix what they screwed up. I have had to do that more than once.
There is always a difference opinion on what is accessible and what is not.
Some feel that if you have to poke around an application with the jaws
cursor then it is not accessible while others take poking around with the
jaws cursor for granted. Some blind people ride bicycles, climb mountains
and feel that the risks involved are a part of life while others restrict
themselves to very safe lifestyles not venturing out. It is the individuals
choice whether they want to ride the merry-Go-Round or the Rollercoaster.

Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of John Martyn
Sent: March 11, 2011 4:21 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible
using JAWS

This issue obviously has some disagreement and has turned into some kind of ajenda to be correct and find fault in what I am saying. I suggest we agree
to disagree. Yes, it's possible to partition things using jaws. It has
strayed far from any worthwhile content though. I'm not going to sit around and argue with what could be possible. My only point is, get some help when
doing such things like the more advanced techniques. It is just safer to
admit needing help and that is OK. This doesn't need to be mission
impossible, just chill out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

Your mistake is that you are suggesting that the risks involved are related
to being blind, when in fact the risks about playing with partitions are
equal for anybody. As a Microsoft technician you will know all about
diskpart which is fully accessible with relatively old versions of JAWS
under Windows Vista and 7 (can't speak for older windows versions). You
don't do yourself any favours wiht your wording of comments as you actually
sound quite rude.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: John Martyn
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:03 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

I can tell this rubs you the wrong way, however, the examples given are from
very few individuals. Just because it is not impossible doesn't mean that
accessibility is not an issue. So you can jaws cursor around in windows to
achieve the desired results. The problem with graphical representation is
not the same. I have had actual sight of what you are actually accessing and
I'm here to tell you the way information is sorted is not always left to
right top to bottom. Unless you know how volumes are structured and how
partitions work, you are going to have some difficulty. You're speaking to a
Microsoft engineer and a data recovery specialist. I do know what I am
talking about and because it seems possible is no reason to blast this
information like it is easy to do. I mean no insult to people, but it just
amazes me what the blind tend to tinker with when it comes to jaws
accessibility. So it sounds like I am making it impossible, it only sounds that way. You make it sound so simple. That is my argument. There should be some caution to this area. While you are correct is saying it is possible, I wasn't knocking that. In this instance, it is safer to have someone sighted
assist. I understand you're agitation when it comes to someone saying you
can't do something, that is merely trying to not be labeled as helpless. I still suggest someone gets help when dealing with complicated tasks such as this one. Some jaws user in the future might decide that it is possible and therefor simple to do, then go off and damage something. I like accessible
things as many do, but we're not talking about some toolbar or a google
forms mode here. Bottom line is, it's good to hear both sides of things.
regards, John
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

you may, but I know of several folks that have done this with little
problem.

what I object to is in your prior messages you make it sound ridiculous and
impossible for someone without site to do this. WRONG! ANSWER!

and though your messages are growing less irritating since you have been
told time and again that such modifications can be done without assistance,
you still make it sound so'o'o'o'o! hard too do *sigh*

Yes a person should be warned about the possible loss of data and urged to do a backup JIC, that's what it is, just in case! not because you will frack
it up if you do it yourself.

it's not that hard as a large number of folks on several lists can attest!

good day, inthaneelf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer
Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the
might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab
Bag, for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using
JAWS

It's understandable that you can do that. What the issue was is resizing a
partition. I still think it's funny to play with such powerful software
being blind. I'm not dissing someone that can do it, I just think it can be a little dangerous even for an average user. I don't count on everyone being
some technical genius so it's best to caution someone about it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using
JAWS

pardon me?!

although it takes some learning what goes where, and a bit of jaws
cursoring, I can do any of the needed items on a windows machine.

and I am a total

I just what, two days ago partitioned and did the initial formatting on a
TByte drive that I picked up on sale, just stuck it in the slot I keep open
and ready to wire on one of my boxes, and went through the procedure.

so, I disagree with real-time practical experience behind me, the elf
Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists
in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a
Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind
computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using
JAWS

Uh, hi. My wife laughed so hard when I told her how crazy it is you are
playing with partitioning software, but I felt I had to answer. I know that the windows disk management is semi accessible. Partition magic isn't going to help much because I've tried it. You are probably going to need some help with this one dude. Blind people aren't meant to play partition games with
other reindeer. I don't mean to be rudolph but that is just insane. Write
back if you find anything. lol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:47 AM
Subject: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

Hello Everyone:

As I have mentioned before, I purchased 2 new SATA internal hard drives, 2
TB capacity.

I used an disk image program called Image for Windows, which is very
accessible using JAWS, to create an image of my existing aging 160 GB IDE
drive.

I intend to use Image for Windows, to restore the disk image to one of the 2
TB drives.

However, when I have done that, there will be an unallocated partition
containing the remaining available free space for that drive.

What disk partitioning software can I use, that is accessible using JAWS, to
resize the newly created partition and create, allocate and format the
remaining extended partition for that drive?

Thanks in anticipation.

Cave Durber

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