For those I did offend, I appologize. It was not my intentions to walk on the independence of others. I have only been blind since august of 2008 and this is a big learning experience for me. I am not familiar with the immediate feelings of those that have been blind longer. My wife says I have a tendancy to take control of computing issues like that guy from Saturday Night Live where the computer tech says Move, and then fixes the problem. I have spent more than a decade of network engineering and programming, so perhaps I have some reservations about those trying to access something like partitioning software. Once again, I am sorry and in the future I will be aware of such issues.
Thanks, John Martyn----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:46 AMSubject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS
For the record, I believe the last few messages in this thread have been a shabby way to treat not only a fellow lister, but one who has devised an application to make a difficult program, Rhapsody, easily accessible for visually impaired computer users.Each of us figures out our own standards of independence and the areas wherewe will be obsessive about it. In our individual professions, we will seek maximum autonomy. In other areas, we ought to feel free to be grateful to those who perform a service that would require so much of our time that doing it ourselves would interfere with the rest of our lives. It is misguided to berate a disabled person who says in his or her experience, there may be limits. Any blind person who would love to drive a car on a highway knows there are limits. Disagreeing with him or her factually is fine, but this thread went philosophical on him, and that was unfair and inappropriate. A man who goes to the trouble of developing a program to assist others is on no merry-go-round. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:33 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS thank you that was well put! nicer than I elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own themight and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The GrabBag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: RE: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS I think this is because you touch a nerve making a statement saying the blind should leave such advanced things to a sighted person. Many blind persons fiercely defend their independence and have a real gut reaction to such statements. I am one of them. My hackles go up when a person says a blind person should leave something up to a sighted person. I have more computer skills than most of my sighted acquaintances and don't want to go having to fix what they screwed up. I have had to do that more than once.There is always a difference opinion on what is accessible and what is not.Some feel that if you have to poke around an application with the jaws cursor then it is not accessible while others take poking around with the jaws cursor for granted. Some blind people ride bicycles, climb mountains and feel that the risks involved are a part of life while others restrictthemselves to very safe lifestyles not venturing out. It is the individualschoice whether they want to ride the merry-Go-Round or the Rollercoaster. Tom Bisset -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: March 11, 2011 4:21 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSThis issue obviously has some disagreement and has turned into some kind of ajenda to be correct and find fault in what I am saying. I suggest we agreeto disagree. Yes, it's possible to partition things using jaws. It hasstrayed far from any worthwhile content though. I'm not going to sit around and argue with what could be possible. My only point is, get some help whendoing such things like the more advanced techniques. It is just safer to admit needing help and that is OK. This doesn't need to be mission impossible, just chill out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSYour mistake is that you are suggesting that the risks involved are relatedto being blind, when in fact the risks about playing with partitions are equal for anybody. As a Microsoft technician you will know all about diskpart which is fully accessible with relatively old versions of JAWS under Windows Vista and 7 (can't speak for older windows versions). Youdon't do yourself any favours wiht your wording of comments as you actuallysound quite rude. Peter -----Original Message----- From: John Martyn Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:03 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWSI can tell this rubs you the wrong way, however, the examples given are fromvery few individuals. Just because it is not impossible doesn't mean that accessibility is not an issue. So you can jaws cursor around in windows to achieve the desired results. The problem with graphical representation isnot the same. I have had actual sight of what you are actually accessing andI'm here to tell you the way information is sorted is not always left to right top to bottom. Unless you know how volumes are structured and howpartitions work, you are going to have some difficulty. You're speaking to aMicrosoft engineer and a data recovery specialist. I do know what I am talking about and because it seems possible is no reason to blast this information like it is easy to do. I mean no insult to people, but it just amazes me what the blind tend to tinker with when it comes to jaws accessibility. So it sounds like I am making it impossible, it only soundsthat way. You make it sound so simple. That is my argument. There should be some caution to this area. While you are correct is saying it is possible, I wasn't knocking that. In this instance, it is safer to have someone sightedassist. I understand you're agitation when it comes to someone saying you can't do something, that is merely trying to not be labeled as helpless. Istill suggest someone gets help when dealing with complicated tasks such as this one. Some jaws user in the future might decide that it is possible andtherefor simple to do, then go off and damage something. I like accessible things as many do, but we're not talking about some toolbar or a google forms mode here. Bottom line is, it's good to hear both sides of things. regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS you may, but I know of several folks that have done this with little problem.what I object to is in your prior messages you make it sound ridiculous andimpossible for someone without site to do this. WRONG! ANSWER! and though your messages are growing less irritating since you have beentold time and again that such modifications can be done without assistance,you still make it sound so'o'o'o'o! hard too do *sigh* Yes a person should be warned about the possible loss of data and urged todo a backup JIC, that's what it is, just in case! not because you will frackit up if you do it yourself. it's not that hard as a large number of folks on several lists can attest! good day, inthaneelf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own themight and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The GrabBag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS It's understandable that you can do that. What the issue was is resizing a partition. I still think it's funny to play with such powerful softwarebeing blind. I'm not dissing someone that can do it, I just think it can be a little dangerous even for an average user. I don't count on everyone beingsome technical genius so it's best to caution someone about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS pardon me?! although it takes some learning what goes where, and a bit of jaws cursoring, I can do any of the needed items on a windows machine. and I am a total I just what, two days ago partitioned and did the initial formatting on aTByte drive that I picked up on sale, just stuck it in the slot I keep openand ready to wire on one of my boxes, and went through the procedure. so, I disagree with real-time practical experience behind me, the elfModerator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialistsin customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS Uh, hi. My wife laughed so hard when I told her how crazy it is you areplaying with partitioning software, but I felt I had to answer. I know that the windows disk management is semi accessible. Partition magic isn't going to help much because I've tried it. You are probably going to need some helpwith this one dude. Blind people aren't meant to play partition games with other reindeer. I don't mean to be rudolph but that is just insane. Write back if you find anything. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:47 AM Subject: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS Hello Everyone: As I have mentioned before, I purchased 2 new SATA internal hard drives, 2 TB capacity. I used an disk image program called Image for Windows, which is very accessible using JAWS, to create an image of my existing aging 160 GB IDE drive.I intend to use Image for Windows, to restore the disk image to one of the 2TB drives. However, when I have done that, there will be an unallocated partition containing the remaining available free space for that drive.What disk partitioning software can I use, that is accessible using JAWS, toresize the newly created partition and create, allocate and format the remaining extended partition for that drive? Thanks in anticipation. 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