End of issue: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

  • From: John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:20:59 -0800

This issue obviously has some disagreement and has turned into some kind of ajenda to be correct and find fault in what I am saying. I suggest we agree to disagree. Yes, it's possible to partition things using jaws. It has strayed far from any worthwhile content though. I'm not going to sit around and argue with what could be possible. My only point is, get some help when doing such things like the more advanced techniques. It is just safer to admit needing help and that is OK. This doesn't need to be mission impossible, just chill out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


Your mistake is that you are suggesting that the risks involved are related to being blind, when in fact the risks about playing with partitions are equal for anybody. As a Microsoft technician you will know all about diskpart which is fully accessible with relatively old versions of JAWS under Windows Vista and 7 (can't speak for older windows versions). You don't do yourself any favours wiht your wording of comments as you actually sound quite rude.

Peter

-----Original Message----- From: John Martyn
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:03 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS

I can tell this rubs you the wrong way, however, the examples given are from
very few individuals. Just because it is not impossible doesn't mean that
accessibility is not an issue. So you can jaws cursor around in windows to
achieve the desired results. The problem with graphical representation is
not the same. I have had actual sight of what you are actually accessing and
I'm here to tell you the way information is sorted is not always left to
right top to bottom. Unless you know how volumes are structured and how
partitions work, you are going to have some difficulty. You're speaking to a
Microsoft engineer and a data recovery specialist. I do know what I am
talking about and because it seems possible is no reason to blast this
information like it is easy to do. I mean no insult to people, but it just
amazes me what the blind tend to tinker with when it comes to jaws
accessibility. So it sounds like I am making it impossible, it only sounds
that way. You make it sound so simple. That is my argument. There should be some caution to this area. While you are correct is saying it is possible, I wasn't knocking that. In this instance, it is safer to have someone sighted
assist. I understand you're agitation when it comes to someone saying you
can't do something, that is merely trying to not be labeled as helpless. I
still suggest someone gets help when dealing with complicated tasks such as this one. Some jaws user in the future might decide that it is possible and
therefor simple to do, then go off and damage something. I like accessible
things as many do, but we're not talking about some toolbar or a google
forms mode here. Bottom line is, it's good to hear both sides of things.
regards,
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


you may, but I know of several folks that have done this with little problem.

what I object to is in your prior messages you make it sound ridiculous and impossible for someone without site to do this. WRONG! ANSWER!

and though your messages are growing less irritating since you have been told time and again that such modifications can be done without assistance, you still make it sound so'o'o'o'o! hard too do *sigh*

Yes a person should be warned about the possible loss of data and urged to do a backup JIC, that's what it is, just in case! not because you will frack it up if you do it yourself.

it's not that hard as a large number of folks on several lists can attest!

good day,
inthaneelf
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


It's understandable that you can do that. What the issue was is resizing a partition. I still think it's funny to play with such powerful software being blind. I'm not dissing someone that can do it, I just think it can be a little dangerous even for an average user. I don't count on everyone being some technical genius so it's best to caution someone about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


pardon me?!

although it takes some learning what goes where, and a bit of jaws cursoring, I can do any of the needed items on a windows machine.

and I am a total

I just what, two days ago partitioned and did the initial formatting on a TByte drive that I picked up on sale, just stuck it in the slot I keep open and ready to wire on one of my boxes, and went through the procedure.

so, I disagree with real-time practical experience behind me,
the elf
Moderator, Blind Access Help
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
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for blind computer users and programmers
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


Uh, hi.
My wife laughed so hard when I told her how crazy it is you are playing with partitioning software, but I felt I had to answer. I know that the windows disk management is semi accessible. Partition magic isn't going to help much because I've tried it. You are probably going to need some help with this one dude. Blind people aren't meant to play partition games with other reindeer. I don't mean to be rudolph but that is just insane. Write back if you find anything. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Durber" <d.durber@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:47 AM
Subject: Disk partitioning software that is accessible using JAWS


Hello Everyone:

As I have mentioned before, I purchased 2 new SATA internal hard drives, 2
TB capacity.

I used an disk image program called Image for Windows, which is very
accessible using JAWS, to create an image of my existing aging 160 GB IDE
drive.

I intend to use Image for Windows, to restore the disk image to one of the 2
TB drives.

However, when I have done that, there will be an unallocated partition
containing the remaining available free space for that drive.

What disk partitioning software can I use, that is accessible using JAWS, to resize the newly created partition and create, allocate and format the
remaining extended partition for that drive?

Thanks in anticipation.

Cave Durber

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