Coding what FS cannot do

  • From: John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:19:11 -0800

Very good point. What can Freedom scientific do for us instead of doing it 
ourselves. I like the analogy of a hungry man. Google Docs does seem like a 
priority and a need. It makes a good point about the needs and wants of 
accessibility. Depending on what we target, is going to dictate how long it 
would take that FS would not do for us. Perhaps the smaller things we can 
persuade freedom scientific to do. I have the email of someone at FS that we 
could all email about such accessibility concerns. Perhaps we can ask him what 
their plans for jaws they have. If we grouped together, we could make a 
difference in what direction they choose.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Spratt 
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:35 AM
  Subject: RE: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

  Aside from the website v. application discussion, John Martin's offer raises 
two other general questions in my mind.

  First, from the initial responses, one broad question is which of three 
categories JAWS users would assign the greatest importance: an application (or 
website) that promotes employment, one that opens up social interaction or one 
that provides pure entertainment. All three areas are critical for a good life. 
But as philosophers point out, a hungry man doesn't worry about free speech. 
I'd think that making ribbon-driven MS Access or Google docs is a priority.

  Second, why should this burden fall on one generous man? Maybe one result of 
this discussion could be establishing a list of priorities that we all submit 
to FS to try to persuade them to fix problems that constantly surface on this 

  From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Yadiel Sotomayor
  Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:28 AM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

  Thanks for mentioning it Bill! How about google chrome. I love that browser, 
but I cannot use it with jaws only with N***. So it will be nice tho have that 
option. Also, how about opera if google is not an option. That would be great.

  From: Bob W 
  Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:48 AM
  To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

  Peter, here's my thinking and I hope others will correct me if I'm wrong.
  A website is not an application. 
  the applications involved would be your browser--i.e. or firefox, or chrome.

  For that matter, google docs would not be an application either.

  Just my  thoughts.


  A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing 
you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams  

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Peter Holdstock 
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:06 AM
    Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

    Hi, for many blind people dating is quite difficult and many dating 
websites don’t seem too accessible, and I have seen a few posts from people 
trying to get various websites working. I’d be very grateful if the website was made accessible in some way. It is pretty accessible 
at the mom            ent so shouldn’t require too much work, but there are a 
lot of extra links and information you have to try and bypass to get to the 
useful stuff.

    I may be the only one who wants that website accessible, but I hope not and 
I think lots would benefit from a fully accessible dating site where it’s not 
just disabled people.




    From: John Martyn 
    Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:33 AM
    To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Subject: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

    Hi folks,
    As my 32nd birthday approaches, I think I am going to make a habit of 
picking one new application per year to make jaws accessible. Picking Rhapsody 
was not an easy task, but it taught me many things about an application that 
seems next to impossible to make behave. I am taking off this summer from 
school and will have the time to code a new application. Rhapsody Blind was a 
test to see if I could pull it off, and it worked. I selfishly chose the first 
one, now I'm looking for the popular vote on what you might want. I probably 
won't start until this semester is over at the end of May, so this gives plenty 
of time to decide. It would be a good idea to chat among each other and find 
out what is needed or just plain want for entertainment purposes. So, let's 
open up the floor and hear some suggestions.
    John Martyn
  Yadiel J. Sotomayor

  E-MAIL: yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx

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