Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
- From: "Troy Sullivan" <troysullivan02@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:43:47 -0400
As stated earlier, I would like to see a more accessible version of itunes.
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From: John Martyn
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Wow, you made a good point. I have been hearing much talk about google docs
lately. One thing about google docs is that I can still use the jaws cursor.
Rhapsody Blind operates heavily on the jaws cursor because nothing is PC cursor
friendly. I would have to investigate google docs to see what it lets you get
away with. Very good suggestion.
I have MS office 2002, 2007, and 2010 myself and though I get it free for
school purposes, it is not cheap. Something that benefits us all would be the
right direction. I would consider myself an intermediate script writer right
now, but finding a way to do something is my talent. Eventually, I am going to
organize a scripting site to help develop others in making more applications
accessible. For now, it's gaining the knowledge and experience to share this
valuable information. Even though google docs might be difficult, the one thing
I have on my side is experience with script writing. I have spent hundreds of
hours testing and playing with how jaws gets its information. Rhapsody Blind
took so long because it was so difficult and because I had to learn how to
accomplish it.
I have only heard of google docs as being inaccessible and tried it myself
just when I started getting better at scripting. My feeling on it is that it is
possible.
To help save some time, who knows what all google docs is possible of doing?
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From: Marquette, Ed
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:30 AM
Subject: RE: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
OK.
This "coding for an application" raises a good point. Indeed, Internet
Explorer, FireFox, and the like are applications; however, Websites have
progressed well beyond what we think of as traditional Websites.
More and more, I'm seeing applications migrate away from the client/server
model, where something is installed on a local PC, to Web-based applications,
where the application resides remotely and is only accessed through the browser.
For instance, I use a Web application at my office which is a pretty
sophisticated document management system.
By that, I mean only a shadow of a Microsoft Office document resides on the
local drive (and only for emergency back-up purposes). The real files are not
even located on a remote server that our firm owns. Instead, they reside
somewhere in a mountain cave in Utah.
When I want to access, search for, or save a document, Internet Explorer
runs a Web application that looks up or stores the document with a whole range
of information (e.g., author, creation date, last edit date, client number,
matter number, document name, type of law, type of document, and selected key
words.). The look-up operates much like a Google search operates or, in the
alternative, by field look-up.
There are competitive applications, but they all operate on the
client/server model.
The point is that more and more of these Web applications are appearing.
Fortunately, the one referenced above is pretty well behaved, particularly with
JAWS and its quick keys, or whatever they are called.
It does not, however, respond all that well to scripts. That, however, may
be my ineptitude as a script writer, though the scripts I wrote were hardly
more than macros, i.e., a series of keystrokes.
I would certainly like to see an accomplished script writer tackle, or try
to tackle, a Web application of general applicability.
I cannot think of an application with more general applicability than
Google Docs, but I do have my own selfish objectives that, in the interest of
full disclosure, I need to reveal. Still, a free application that can be
shared in a collaborative way with power that approaches Microsoft Office would
be pretty important to lots of people.
Google Docs is free. Microsoft Office doesn't come cheap.
Google Docs, however, may simply be too great a challenge. After all, all
the screen reader people seem to have given up on it.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bob W
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:48 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Peter, here's my thinking and I hope others will correct me if I'm wrong.
A website is not an application.
the applications involved would be your browser--i.e. or firefox, or
chrome.
For that matter, google docs would not be an application either.
Just my thoughts.
Bob
A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that
thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
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From: Peter Holdstock
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Hi, for many blind people dating is quite difficult and many dating
websites don’t seem too accessible, and I have seen a few posts from people
trying to get various websites working. I’d be very grateful if the website
www.plentyoffish.com was made accessible in some way. It is pretty accessible
at the mom ent so shouldn’t require too much work, but there are a
lot of extra links and information you have to try and bypass to get to the
useful stuff.
I may be the only one who wants that website accessible, but I hope not
and I think lots would benefit from a fully accessible dating site where it’s
not just disabled people.
Peter
Thanks.
Peter
From: John Martyn
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:33 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Hi folks,
As my 32nd birthday approaches, I think I am going to make a habit of
picking one new application per year to make jaws accessible. Picking Rhapsody
was not an easy task, but it taught me many things about an application that
seems next to impossible to make behave. I am taking off this summer from
school and will have the time to code a new application. Rhapsody Blind was a
test to see if I could pull it off, and it worked. I selfishly chose the first
one, now I'm looking for the popular vote on what you might want. I probably
won't start until this semester is over at the end of May, so this gives plenty
of time to decide. It would be a good idea to chat among each other and find
out what is needed or just plain want for entertainment purposes. So, let's
open up the floor and hear some suggestions.
Thanks,
John Martyn
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