Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:31:38 -0700
Bill,
I didn't notice that difference in the case sensitivity. Good to know.
I was able to see the formatting differences by opening these JDF files in
Notepad. They are easily editable as a text file.
In fact, I've done some brute-force additions to my dictionaries in minutes,
rather than hours by this method.
For example in my music scoring software the pronunciation of note names
like B, D, and G are sometimes hard for me to discern. So I set up an entire
list of all note names, with sharps and flats, that use the Bravo, Delta,
Golf pronunciation, to avoid any mistakes. That would have been a lot of
words to add in the usual manner.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill White" <billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 15:14
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
Hi, Dave. I don't know about an analysis of internal differences between
.jdf files in Jaws 9 and Jaws 11, but in Jaws11, there is another box which
allows for case sensitivity which is not found in Jaws 9.
Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
> Gary,
>
> Actually I have copied some over, and they work fine. Internally the only
> difference between the JAWS 11 default.jdf file and any JAWS 9 jdf file is
> that each pairing is extended as follows:
>
> [turn on all punctuation to hear this correctly]
>
> JAWS 11
> .word1.new pronounced word1.*.*.*.0.0.
>
> JAWS 9
> .word1.new pronounced word1.
>
> It would be fairly easy to edit an old dictionary by doing a
> search/replace
> in MS-Word, replacing any .^p with .*.*.*.0.0.^p
>
> I presume the new wildcards are related to the dictionary being able to
> give
> different pronunciations for different synthesizers, languages, and voices
> within synthesizers.
>
> I stick to the default synth and English, so none of my wildcards are ever
> affected.
>
> However I see no difference in the modified JAWS 9 JDF files when edited
> in
> the JAWS 11 Dictionary Manager, so really don't understand the underlying
> mystery.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 13:55
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
>
>
> Well, if I really want the dictionaries badly enough, I copy them over by
> hand. If their format was different though, that probably wouldn't work.
>
> Gary King
> w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
>
>
>> Hi, Gary. Probably like Dave, and maybe you, I put a lot of time and
>> effort into upgrading the JAWS dictionary. That's why I merge settings
>> from version to version. But I've also encountered that question at FS.
>> Do
>> you keep your dictionary settings updated. If so, how do you handle it
>> when installing a new JAWS version?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
>>
>> Dave, I believe the Merge process to be a pretty much hit or miss affair.
>> That's why I never merge my settings after upgrading to a new version of
>> JFW. If I needed further convincing that Merge is not very reliable, the
>> first thing that JFW Tech Support always asked me when I reported a
>> problem with a new version of JFW was, "Did you merge your settings?"
>>
>> Gary King w4wkz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
>>
>> Brian and Bill!
>>
>> got it! In the Manage Applications dialog (JAWS/Options/Manage
>> Applications) I found that Outlook Express and a few other applications
>> were unchecked. I know I didn't uncheck these, and they are all checked
>> in
>> JAWS 9.0. So for some mysterious reason they had been excluded when I
>> installed and merged JAWS 11.
>>
>> After I made sure they were all checked, they work just fine.
>>
>> I hope no one else suffers from this, but now this is one answer, at
>> least.
>>
>> Dave checked
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill White" <billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
>>
>> Have you checked in your configuration manager under "set options" then
>> under text processing to make sure your dictionaries are turned on for
>> the
>> specific applications? Bill White billwhite92701@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Pronounciation Dictionaries in JAWS 11
>>
>> Anyone else seen this? In older versions of JAWS I was able to have
>> separate JAWS pronunciation dictionaries for various applications, which
>> would be enabled with that application. For example in Outlook Express a
>> specific file Outlook Express.JDF would be loaded, and any specific
>> pronunciations would be active.
>>
>> With JAWS 11 however, none of the application-specific dictionary files
>> are active. the only one that works is the DEFAULT.JDF file.
>>
>> I can open an application-specific JDF file in the dictionary manager,
>> edit it and save it, but it does not get used. Just the default.
>>
>> Yes, I did run the merge utility, and yes, the files are in my user
>> settings folder.
>>
>> Is this something that was broken, or purposely changed in JAWS 11?
>>
>> I can reload JAWS 9 and the dictionaries work fine. Load up JAWS 11 again
>> and they stop working.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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