Re: [Bulk] RE: Jaws and screen display
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 06:19:10 -0800
Adrian,
Nice. I should call you "Librarian", perhaps? I've just copied this to a
notepad file for my future reference. I've always had "discussions" with my
long-suffering sighted wife when trying to show her something on the screen.
This may well help.
Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in the general vicinity of my Audio
Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 06:06
Subject: [Bulk] RE: Jaws and screen display
Over time I have noted a number of lister tips on how to make the screen
look somewhat similar to JAWS and sighted users. I'm copying them below.
Apologies for some repetition, but sometimes the way one lister gives an
explanation works for some while another explanation of the same thing works
for others. Also, JAWS 12 users will have to translate the configuration
manager steps. The words from here on are not mine.
Several things may help you get what sighted people see on your screen. (1)
Turn off virtual cursor. With real cursor, you won't get anything outside
the screen.
(2) Pres <insert+v>. Then, arrow down to "Document presentation". In the
tree view on the left of the screen, this item is just under "General
options". Then press the space bar to hear "Screen layout" and <enter> to
save your settings. This time, you have a quite poor geometric
representation of the screen layout but if what you want is to "see" what
sighted people see, it's better than nothing.
3. If you are talking to a visual user, you may want to route JAWS to the
Virtual cursor in order to read the actual text on the screen.
Another exchange:
Query. I'm trying to make it easier for colleagues to see where I am looking
on web pages. How do you flip a web page so that it shows what you are
looking at on the real screen.
Answer. Try the following: While in internet Explorer, hit Insert+V Hit
down-arrow until you get to Document Presentation - Simple Layout Hit
spacebar to change it to Screen Layout. FS JAWS 8 documentation. This option
allows you to change how JAWS structures HTML pages and other virtual
documents (such as PDF documents) in the virtual buffer. If you select
"Simple Layout," each cell in the table is displayed on a separate line.
This is the default layout. If you select "Screen Layout," pages are
rendered in the virtual buffer in a way that is more similar to what a
sighted user sees on the screen. All items in a single table row are
displayed on the same line, and each column is separated by a vertical bar.
Similar instructions in the context of tables:
I am giving the instructions below on how you can use a new feature of JAWS
to make tables look correct when reading them on the web or copying them and
pasting them to a document. Let me begin by saying that you may not want
this feature on all the time, but I would suggest you experiment with it.
You can actually toggle it on and off at will, apply it to only specific web
pages, or make it permanent for everything on the web. What it does in a
nutshell is make the page look like a sighted person is viewing it but
depending on the page you might need to make some adjustments in some JAWS
settings. Anyway, here goes.
Documentation presentation mode has two settings, simple layout and screen
layout. Simple layout is the default or the way it is when you use JAWS
without making a change to the feature. You are already used to using simple
layout as that is the way it has always been. Switching to screen layout
mode changes the way lines of text wrap around on the screen. To someone
sighted some things might be on the left of the page and some on the right
etc, but in simple layout you wouldn't know that.
The fastest way to use document presentation mode is to press insert+v and
arrow down to document presentation and JAWS will announce the current state
which is probably simple layout. To change it press the spacebar once and
then press escape. Note that this only changes it for the page you are on
and the settings will not be saved so as soon as you leave the page or close
Internet Explorer the setting will be gone even if you return to that page
again later. This is the way I use document presentation mode most of the
time because I don't usually want to keep the change since it will affect
the entire page or even the entire web if I save the settings which I will
get into in a minute. I do think that experimenting is good to figure out
what you like and doing it this way for a while will allow you to play
without making any permanent changes that you may want to undo later. Find a
web page with tables and give it a shot. You can't hurt anything. Of course
you can do it on any page even if there are no tables as well so you might
want to play with that as well. I want to point out that you might find some
odd effects at times doing it this way. If the real lines are to long then
you might have lines wrapping where they shouldn't and using this quick
method there is no real way to fix that but read on and you will find that
it can be corrected using one of the other methods to apply document
presentation mode.
Another way to use the feature is to press insert+shift+v and you will be
dropped into a list of roughly 30 items that you can use to customize JAWS.
Making changes here will again only affect the page you are on, but these
settings can be saved plus you can customize them even more if the text
isn't quite formatted right. When you press insert+shift+v you will hear the
name of the page you are on and the first thing in the list is to alert you
to whether any settings have already been applied to this page or not. If
you have not made any changes it should say clear. If you made changes here
it will say set. You use this list exactly like you did in the list using
insert+v above and pressing the spacebar will toggle the state of the item
and when you hear the setting you want either continue up or down the list
or press escape to leave the list and save your settings. I said above that
you can customize where the lines wrap and this can be done by moving down
the list to where you find increase line length and the default is set to
150 meaning 150 characters. Pressing the spacebar will increase the setting
by a value of 10 each time you press the spacebar. You can always return to
150 at any time, or just turn off document presentation mode by coming back
here using insert+shift+v. You will see lots of other features in here that
some of which you may want to check out. Remember the settings in here are
for the specific page you are on and will not affect other pages on the web.
The third way to use this feature is to use the configuration manager. First
you need to be in Internet Explorer and it doesn't matter which page you are
on as making any changes here will affect all pages on the web. You probably
won't want to apply document presentation mode globally across the web but I
will explain it anyway just in case you find you like it. Begin by pressing
insert+f2 and then down arrow to configuration manager and press enter. Now
press alt+s to open the set options menu. Press the letter h to open html
options, or if you wish you can arrow down through the menu and when you
find it press enter to open it. Now press control+tab 5 times to land on the
misc tab and you should be right where you need to be on the settings for
document presentation mode. The reason you needed to press control+tab is
because you are in a multi page dialogue box. Each page has a specific group
of settings that you can change and if you look around many of them will
seem familiar to you since you saw them in the previous menus we were in
above. Now that you are in the right place to make the change use your
arrows to move to the choice for screen layout and press enter if you don't
want to make any other changes. Now press control+s to save the settings
change and then press alt+f4 to leave the configuration manager and you are
done.
Query. Are you saying there's no way to modify JFW so tables automatically
come up in the presentation mode that is standard for sighted users? How do
I modify my JFW 7 or JFW 8 experience with Internet Explorer 6 to make it so
tables by default come up in the "normal way"? Or do I have to navigate
through them line by line with CTRL+ALT+ARROW? Just wondering about the
proper command sequence here, because I would love the option of reading
tables across the screen as a default using my PowerBraille 80.
Joseph Lee replied. From Internet Explorer, press JAWS Key plus number row 6
to go to Config Manager. Then at the Config Manager, press CTRL plus Shift
plus D to switch to Default Config file. Then press Alt plus S for Set
Options then H for HTML Options. Press CTRL plus Shift plus TAB to go to
Advanced page. The item you are looking for is "Document Presentation Mode"
combo box. Press down arrow to select "Screen Layout" then press ENTER.
Press CTRL plus S to save the Default file and press Alt plus Fbled to exit
Config Manager. You are done. From now on, JAWS will present websites just
like the way sighted users see on their screen.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yadiel Sotomayor
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:30 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Jaws and screen display
I don't don't if it can't be changed. But since I believe version 9 of jaws,
jaws has done that. A shame really because what happens if you are using
magic with jaws, jaws will affect your display.
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From: "Nickus de Vos" <bigboy529@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:13 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Jaws and screen display
Can this be changed or is it asential for jaws to do it in order to work
properly? -original message-
Subject: RE: Jaws and screen display
From: "White Samuel L" <Samuel.L.White@xxxxxxx>
Date: 09/02/2011 14:48
Yes, JAWs messes with the layout of the screen ( as far as I have been told
by non Vis). sam.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 3:52 PM
To: Jaws
Subject: Jaws and screen display
Hi all, while running jaws, will your computers screen display everything
normally as it would when not running jaws? Thing is, sighted people always
tell me that they can't see properly on my screen when i try to show them
something. Does jaws do some weird things with the display or is it just my
anciant screen needing replacement?
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