Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: jaws key + windows key + F4
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:53:33 -0800
Adrian,
Good point. I guess we shouldn't complain. But then what's the fun in that? I
just hope that FS monitors this list and takes note of some of these real-world
issues we face every day.
Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing
Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:47
Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: jaws key + windows key + F4
Hi, Dave.
The reply I'm about to write is straying farther and farther from the real
purpose of this list, which is to supply answers to practical JAWS problems.
But as I said to you off-list, each of us JAWS users has different eye
conditions and many have additional disabilities. for example, here we are
complaining about difficult key combinations for people with two hands. I
wonder what someone is thinking who has to tackle them with one hand, even with
JAWS's alternative feature for that purpose (about which I know nothing). Some
JAWS users can benefit from magnification. Others are blessed with braille
fluency. I lean toward respecting FS for attempting to cover all these
variations in a single package. I can see how it makes business sense,
considering how small our population is, but it also shows respect for our many
differences.
As you say, my two cents, probably worth the price.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:38 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: jaws key + windows key + F4
Adrian,
Definitely. I use Insert+J so often that I've trained my hands to do it
without thinking, just like Insert +F12 for the time and date. Both are a
two-handed operation, with the left hand having to leave the home keys and move
way over.
Yes, took me a while to get used to the "new and improved" virtualize window
key combination -- they certainly made it harder, not easier.
Maybe we should start a "most hated keys" list and send along to FS?
Of course we all know that as the number of functions and capabilities of
JAWS increase, the number of remaining simple key combinations will decrease,
giving us these agonizing combinations and changes as they try to make things
consistent across all the platforms: Braille, Speech, and Magnification.
And there we're back to my original rant on making JAWS "all things to all
people".
They should just K-I-S-S.
Dave
Composed on a Dell Latitude 630 in and around my Audio Recording and Mixing
Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:41
Subject: [Bulk] RE: jaws key + windows key + F4
This is my method, too. fortunately, almost every hard key combination is
for a rarely used operation. the one I hate the most is the virtualized window
command, reassigned in JAWS 11 to JAWS key-alt-w. but the one no one has
complained about is insert-j for the JAWS menus. Now that's unnatural,
requiring you to use the left index finger for a key otherwise pressed with the
right hand.
You'll notice I'm using the desktop layout.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mike & Barbara In Arcadia
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:28 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws key + windows key + F4
HI Dave;
The way I invoke this keystroke is, right little finger on the Insert key,
right thumb on the windows key, & press the F4 key with the left index finger.
I have small hands so, I have to be creative with some keystrokes that should
be part of that game called " Twister ." LOLLOL
----- Original Message -----
From: Farfar Carlson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: jaws key + windows key + F4
Michael,
That keystroke is supposed to completely (and very quickly) kill JAWS and
simultaneously create a debug file dump for analysis purposes. If you
didn't
notice anything, then perhaps you didn't actually hit the Windows key.
I agree with you. Some of these keystrokes actually hurt my 58-year-old
fingers.
Dave
Composed in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Arnowitt" <MA@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 17:19
Subject: jaws key + windows key + F4
Mike mentioned some command of jaws key + windows key + F4. Using the
insert key on the numpad, that's a really difficult stretch. In my
perfect world, the jaws key would be in the middle of the keyboard
right below the spacebar. I hate having to jump all the way over to
the numpad with my right hand and frequently have to move my left
hand out of position to cover a certain key, then have to move both
hands back. Seems so inefficient...
btw, what does this keystroke do? I tried it and heard my computer
make a little sci-fi sound. Figured I'd better do it a second time to
toggle it off, whatever it was.
Michael
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