true micro soft is guilty of every sin you pointed out with respect to windows and their included applications in the o s. not fixing bugs and ignoring their end users. so your totally right compairing jfw to m s operating system. unfortunately microsoft is one software company that was never known for quality first. its also true that windows is a monopoly and they really did not care what the end user wanted either. because it is a monopoly they where able to get away with it. but guess what, when corporations started picking linux for server software over m s products then m s changed its tune. what do you think windows update is all about, fixing bugs, some thing that m s used to totally ignore, especially ignored by m s in the security areana. but when companies starting saying to m s stick it where using linux then m s started changing its tune with respect to security. hence service pack 2. now their starting to do better but have a long way to go. i had to laugh though because you picked probably the only software company as bad as f s at ignoring their end users. probably for the same reasons, pretty much j f w market share that almost classifies them as a monopoly. by the way when it comes to other micro soft applications where they do not enjoy the market advantage they do a much better job with respect to quality. office and money are to examples. i e was also an example before it got the lion share of the market. bottom line, and i can not speak for all, but for me if 7 adds no new features and fixes only bugs that would be o k with me. bill -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx