Ok, let's cut through the sentiment here. Freedom Scientific is a *business* that offers *products* to *customers*. Customers have a legitimate expectation that when problems occur, those problems will be addressed by the software provider, especially when the software is priced so high that it requires either state funding or a significant investment compared to the average blind person's income (anyone seen the most recent employment statistics?) I, as a customer, do not give a hoot in Hades how complex it is. They are the professionals. I was once a computer softwared professional, so yes I appreciate the difficulties, but you know what, that's their problem and it shouldn't be mine as a customer who pays a big chunk of cash for their product. There is a tendency among blind computer users to demand less of their software providers than the general market. I don't know if this comes from misplaced loyalty, "they produced something that made my computer accessible, so I must overlook their glaring faults" or what, but I see it across the board from basic access tech providers like FS and game manufacturers. You expect less quality, excuse poor quality and get annoyed when the more realistic among us express dissatisfaction. I don't get it. Oh, and using Microsoft as a comparison is rather like saying that polio is slightly better than the black plague. I say all this as someone who has owned JFW since 1999, and found a lot of good in the application. I don't use WE and am not particularly interested in the religious war that could spring from comparisons of their merits; I have a limited budget and time to learn software, so I'll likely stick with JFW. I've not encountered some of the problems. But I do get bumfuzzled by the reflexive defensiveness of some of you around FS and quality issues. It's almost as though you are afraid that if we bitch too much, they will take our toys away. RElax guys, either they stand or they fall, and it'll be on the quality of their product, not the complaints of denizens of this list. Chris Bartlett -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx