Michael, Just to say I'm glad you passed all the sections of that test, even if that stuff got mixed up like that. What you say about such confusion reminds me of when, long ago, I switched over from WordPerfect to Word on my PC (I know a lot of blind folks are partial to WordPerfect from their earlier experiences, but that had nothing to do with it, as I could see the screen fine, then. I had other reasons for choosing one word processor over another). Anyway, I used to confuse my WordPerfect knowledge with the Word commands and functions that I was learning, and it took a while to wean myself from reflexively thinking in WordPerfect. But I know that's common, because Word, even to this day, offers settings to help former WordPerfect users feel at home. Which is to say, nothing wrong with your brain! Just too much stuff competing directly in the same area, screen reader stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael G." <commodore128@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Announcing Highlighted text Hi, You're right of coarse, I'd just arrow down to the end of the paragraph as well. This is how I've always done it since I never really knew the Insert+Shift+Down arrow command. I passed every test but the Window Eyes test which isn't surprising because I was never comfortable with Window eyes anyway. Window Eyes has one of the most convoluted keyboard command schemes I've ever encountered. I kind of chuckled when you mentioned how Window Eyes squeezed out my answer to this particular question about announcing selected text. I think this description applied more towards another question on the test where I just absolutely blew it. One of the questions on the Jaws test asked what the command was for bringing up the System tray list. The answer, of coarse, was Insert+F11. But for some unearthly reason, my brain just switched into Window Eyes mode and I sat there for like five minutes trying to think what the Window Eyes command was to accomplish this and I ultimately put down a Window Eyes answer. It wasn't until I actually got to the Window Eyes test and this same question about how to bring up the System Tray came up again that I realized I had supremely goofed. I felt so stupid because I use Insert+f11 in Jaws all the time. And once you move on to another test, you're not allowed to go back to change your answers. But as it turned out, it wasn't a big deal because I did pass the Jaws portion. I was tested on Jaws, Microsoft Word, Windows XP, and Window Eyes. Like you, I'm amused by all the attention this topic has attracted. When I brought it up, I thought it was a pretty simplistic thing. I had no idea it would get as much reaction as it has. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Announcing Highlighted text > Hi, > > Again, first of all, please understand that to say that something is > highlighted of course means what you describe, that it's in a different > color to call attention to it and mark it off. But as I said, you see, > this is simply the visible *evidence* of the actual action, which is > selecting something. I'm sorry, but there's a distinction. It's really > helpful to be precise when speaking of things like this. > > As for the example you give, it isn't so wrong an example at all. But all > I > can say is that I often select all sorts of stuff, whether a few words or > a > bunch of paragraphs or half a document or whatever. How much doesn't > matter. But if I want to be sure that things are just right, say, at the > end of a selected portion that I've selected with, you know, what is it, > control shift down arrow, yes? I just use my up and down-arrow keys to > explore, to unselect or select at that point. It's become second nature > to > me. I'd much rather do this than, having selected something like a block > of > 250 words on a document page, use this command so that I have to sit and > listen to the entire block until it gets to the end and I can hear that > everything I wanted to select is selected, but not anything I didn't want > to > select. > > Interesting how the Window Eyes command got into your brain and squeezed > out > the jaws command. Did you pass the exams? > unto , I ntohoutside -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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