Re: An observation
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:23:17 -0700
thanks, Crhis. Just trying to make sense of how that stuff works. and that
kind of scenario seemed like a possibility.
From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: An observation
Yep sounds right to me, good guess!
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:18:45 -0700, "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> So Chris and Sean,
>
> I guess the answer to my question is that, first of all, the language of
> a
> Web page, in order for Jaws to pick it up and be able to switch languages
> if
> that language is installed, has to be signaled by a code in the HTML that
> the page's author must provide. Right?
>
> And second, it's possible for a language tag to be mistakenly left behind
> to
> be spoken by Jaws even though it turns out that the page language is
> actually English. I'll guess how this might happen, and you guys please
> tell
> me if I've got the idea: Say someone Swedish creates a Web page. He or
> she
> is aware of Jaws and its ability to speak different languages, but they
> don't happen to know that, in Eloquence, there is no Swedish. (for
> anyone
> who might get this, there's an echo here of a line from an old NBC
> Saturday
> Night sketch that's a parody of Ingmar Bergman's film The Seventh Seal,
> and
> the last line of the voiceover at the end of the sketch is something like
> "But what Death didn't know is that, in Sweden, there is no pizza").
>
> Anyway, so then they find out that if they want non Swedish-speaking Jaws
> users to be able to access the page, they'll have to translate the page
> into
> English and present it as the sole version or mirror version of their
> Swedish model. So they wind up putting this English translation online,
> but
> the Web design person forgets to remove the language tag from the HTML,
> and
> so when a Jaws user goes to that URL, they hear "Swedish" announced to
> them
> even though they wind up hearing english on the page.
>
> Do I have it straight, pretty much?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Seocnd, needs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: An observation
>
>
> What you describe happens with jaws, provided the author has properly
> indicated
> what language the webpage is in with the lang tag. Once.org, for example
> speaks
> in spanish, the kind from spain, however, last I checked, radiocentro.mx
> does't
> switch your language to spanish, because the author didn't put in this
> tag.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: An observation
>
>
> > Never having encountered a Web page in a language other than English
> > (when
> > I
> > do a Google search, I either opt for English-only results or pass over
> > results not in English), I'd like to know one thing. If you have
> > Spanish
> > installed with Eloquence, and load a Spanish-language Web page, I assume
> > Jaws switches to speaking Spanish, yes? But when you open a Web page in
> > a
> > language you haven't installed with Eloquence, or which, like the
> > Swedish
> > example, doesn't even exists as a possibility with eloquence, what does
> > Jaws
> > do? Does it say "Swedish," for instance, and then speak the words on the
> > page in a meaningless garble?
> >
> > thanks.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: An observation
> >
> >
> > I've worked it out. Basically if the language for a particular
> > synthesizer isn't available, such as Swedish for Eloquence, which
> > doesn't exist anyway, JAWS will announce the language to which the page
> > was written in. However, if you turn language detection off, JAWS will
> > not do this. Thanks for the explanation!
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:12:24 -0700, "Richard Sherman"
> > <squirman@xxxxxxxxxx> said:
> >> Hi,
> >> You are not imagining or hearing things.
> >>
> >> I too have the language detection turned off by default.
> >>
> >> I first checked the site out with language detection turned off and did
> >> not
> >> hear what you claimed. Then I turned this option back on thru the jaws
> >> verbosity and heard that magic word.
> >>
> >> I am using 7.1 on an xp system with all the updates.
> >>
> >> Rich
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Kelly Pierce
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:27 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> Last year I found the quirk of JAWS jumping into British English
> >> while
> >> surfing the web. I eventually disabled the auto language
> >> functionality
> >> so
> >> JAWS would speak in American English all the time.
> >>
> >> Kelly
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:48 AM
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> This is not a bug as you can see from the subject line, but if you go
> >> to
> >>
> >> http://access.getwf.com JAWS announces "swedish". I thought this word
> >>
> >> was on the web page, but when I navigated it using previous or next
> >> character the word wasn't there. Does anyone else have this? I assume
> >> it's part of the language features of JAWS and HTML, but wanted to
> >> make
> >> sure. Thanks! P.S. Using JAWS 8.0.423 demo and Mozilla Firefox 2.0.4
> >> when testing this out.
> >> Christopher Hallsworth
> > Christopher Hallsworth
> > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Skype name chrishallsworth7266
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