Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:59:05 -0400
It's a possibility but so far nothing to worry about.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Sorry, Rick. I didn't mean to imply that all the menus in Windows 7 are
based on the ribbon format. But it does seem that MS is heading in that
direction.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harmon
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
No sir, he said ribbons were the norm in windows 7. I was stating that
they were not.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Rick,
Do you really mean Paint and Wordpad? i didn't know that those programs
were part of Word, ever. Have they become integrated into Word 7, so that you
still have the traditional menu line with drop-down menus for
File/Edit/View/Format/Tools/Help for operating Word itself, and then there's
something called a ribbon that streches across the screen just beneath the menu
bar and contains commands for Paint and wordpad? Is that how it actually is set
up?
thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harmon
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Not quite correct. not the norm in windows 7. Only 2 things have the
ribbon in win 7 and they are paint and wordpad.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
MS is set to release Office 2010 later this year, but they have no
intention of replacing the ribbon menu system, despite tons of negative
feedback from disgruntled customers. The ribbon menus are here to stay, and is
the norm in Windows 7.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Alex,
Your advice is perfect! The only advantage to having office 2007
right now that I've seen is that sometimes those who have it send attachments
with the .docx extension that can't be opened with earlier versions of Word.
Then you have to e-mail the sender and get them to convert it and resend. A
real pain. I don't think learning Office 2007 is a huge crisis, but it is a
productivity killer if it is installed on your computer and you have to hit the
ground running with it. I haven't even personally put it on my main laptop that
I used for most tasks because it just feels so cumbersome. The only think I can
hope for is that Microsoft hears all of the terrible feedback about that
product and does something to remedy it.
Sue B.
Alex Midence wrote:
Dude, I'm gonna tell it to ya straight. Don't listen to anybody
trying to sell you on 2007. Especially, don't let them do it to you if you're
using office applications to do your job. It is one major productivity killer.
If you want to upgrade, get 2003. You can buy it on eBay for a couple hundred
dollars if you don't mind going that route. Just make sure the ad says it's
brand new and stil in the box. If you go 2007, just pretend you got yourself a
whole new wordprocessor to learn. Go in with the mentality of a rookie/newbie
because all your old hotkey friends are no more. Most folks just don't have
that kind of time. They buy the same software's upgrades when they come out
because they expect to just be able to jump right in and start working and
producing the same output of work as they did with the prior version if not
more. If they wanted to learn a whole new piece of software, they'd've bought
wordperfect or something. Jaws still works great with 2003 and you can still
hit the ground running with it straight out of the box coming from office 2000.
Don't just take my word for it on how bad 07 is. Just google "hate office
2007" and you'll see what I mean by productivity killer. I wish with all my
heart that I could go back to 2003 at the office but, everyone's been migrated
and we are all still fussing and cussing about it and it's been like 2 months
already since the upgrade. I'm telling you, it's just NOT worth it. It is one
royal, unmitigated, colossal, ferocious, and persistent pain in the back side.
Only reason I'm not using any more adjectives is because I ran out of clean
ones and, as usual when I think of this thing, I find myself in great need of
some scotch.
One man's opinion,
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Hi Sue,
I'm still using one of the older versions of Word, but feel as if
it might be a practical idea to buy and install Word 2007 one of these days in
order not to be left behind with decreasing jaws support for my Word 2000. But
I don't even know a couple of basic things, like can you just purchase Word
2007 alone, or must you get it as part of that office suite, and is that an
expensive proposition? And second, how does a Jaws user learn to use Word 2007
and its notorious ribbon? Is there a tutorial or an instruction manual for it
somewhere online?
thanks.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
I'm going to throw my two cents worth in on this one. I agree
with George that those menus aren't really all that useful. If you are new to
MS Office then skip them altogether and learn how the ribbons work. If you are
firmly attached to the menus as they were used in earlier versions of MS
Office, then these might be useful for finding commands that you don't have
keystrokes already memorized for. However, they don't just add the menu bar
back so that you can go on with things as you always did, there is still new
stuff to learn. I've found in teaching that I can teach someone who was
familiar with the menus to use the ribbons in about as much time as it takes to
teach them to find and then navigate these add-ins. My vote is that if you are
using JAWS 10, I'd go for taking the time to learn how to navigate the ribbons.
In case anyone is anxious about the switch to Office 2007, most of the dialog
boxes, once you get to them from the ribbon, are the same as the ones in Office
2003 were, so getting to the options you need isn't really all that different.
Sue B.
George B wrote:
Dave eather have I they are kind of confusing let me know what
you figure out.
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot
change, The courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know the
difference.
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 04:11
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Anyone actually tried to use these? They seem to be templates
but I've not been able to make them work.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 03:55
Subject: Re: page layout in word 2007
I can go one step further. Below is the link to a web site
from which you can download a free add-on to Word 2007 that adds the classic
Word 2003 menus. This way, you can have your cake and eat it too. If you are
befuddled by Word 2007's ribbon menus, you can just switch to the more familiar
Word 2003 menus.
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/menuaddins
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Jackson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: page layout in word 2007
Can you tell me what Kim koomandos web site is please?
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:52 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: page layout in word 2007
Hi, Kim Koomando posted a program on her Cool Site of the
Day on May 19th that described a free program to replace the Word 2007 Ribbon
with all your familiar menus.
If you search her site I expect you can find this
particular post and the link to the company that provides the download. Good
luck, Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Carlson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: page layout in word 2007
John,
Welcome to the confusing world of Office 2007 and the
ribbon!
You'll probably spend a lot of time groping around the
ribbon, looking for your old familiar dialog boxes. It wasn't easy for me.
Simply to answer your question:
Alt-p
Down arrow
Tab 4 times
Enter
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fioravanti
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 14:16
Subject: page layout in word 2007
Hi: I just installed word 2007 and when I go to page
layout to hopefully get to margin setings, it says hit tab or shiftt Alt
followed by p. when I use tab or shift tab it talks about help and alt and P do
nothing. Any help would be appreciated. John Fioravanti
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