Re: Accessible browser/e-mail/html editor found
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:38:51 -0500
Good to know. Thanks. I'm sure there are other clients out there
that one can access with Jaws. I just like the fact that, if I'm in a
browser I can just hit ctrl 2, and boom!, I get into e-mail. I hit
ctrl 4 and I'm in a webpage editor, ctrl 5 or, 6, I think it is getsw
me right into the irc client. It ricks. Reminds me of the old days
when I logged onto the web with a shell account controling unix
remotely. I know I was launching other apps at the host computer but,
it felt like I was in just one app from my end. Hard to explain and
probably sounds silly.
l8r.
Alex
On 6/22/10, chris hallsworth <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi I tried Chatzilla but not for ages. Seemed to work well with JAWS. I
> use NVDA full time, and no doubt NVDA will work fine with this client.
>
>
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> On 22/06/2010 0:02, Alex Midence wrote:
>> My guess is that it does work with it since it's multiplatform. There's
>> a linux version and a mac OSX version. I can't imagine there not being a
>> windows 7 version. I think I may indeed join that mozilla list. Thanks
>> for sending me the link. I'm really enjoying their software. Do you
>> happen to know if chatzilla works well with Jaws? It's the irc client
>> for irc chat.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> chris hallsworth wrote:
>>> Ok, so does this Seamonkey work on Windows 7? Think I'll also ask on
>>> my Blind Mozilla list. Feel free to join by sending a blank message to
>>> blind-mozilla-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> Signed by Chris Hallsworth
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>>>
>>> On 21/06/2010 4:12, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>> Wanted to share this discovery with everyone out there. For some time
>>>> now, I've been searching for a jaws-friendly html editor. I've found two
>>>> of them, three really, and I wanted to spread the word about them in
>>>> case anyone else needs these tools. Best part of it all is that most of
>>>> these are free. So, to all those manufacturers out there whose products
>>>> are inaccessible, consider yourselves gifted with the bird! The one I've
>>>> settled upon offers much more than I bargained for but, in a good way.
>>>> It is called Sea Monkey. It's made by Mozilla and is actually a suite of
>>>> applications containing seamonkey, a browser, seamonkey e-mail, and
>>>> Composer which is an html editor descended from something they had made
>>>> some years ago called NVU. The whole thing runs on a Mozilla engine
>>>> similar to Firefox. Because of this, I was able to use the Firefox
>>>> scripts for Jaws 10 and hit the ground running. I just did a select all
>>>> in the Firefox.jss file and copied and pasted the whole thing minus the
>>>> comments at the top into the seamonkey.jss file the program generated.
>>>> Control+s to compile, alt+tab back to my application and voi la! It
>>>> worked like acharm. Best of all? It's free totaly, absolutely, free. So,
>>>> if you are tired of outlook 2007 and have a choice in the matter,
>>>> download this package and give it a whirl. So far, Jaws reads it just
>>>> fine. Anyone who used netscape communications a few years back will feel
>>>> right at home since this is a direct descendant of it as it were. Here
>>>> are my other picks for Jaws-friendly html editors:
>>>>
>>>> Arachnophelia 4.0: This one is supposed to work with Jaws right out of
>>>> the box with no problem. The only thing to worry about is that it was
>>>> written in 2001 and html has evolved considerably since then. There is a
>>>> more recent version but the guy made it multiplatform and used Java.
>>>> Apparently, when he did, he didn't fix it so the accessbridge could
>>>> latch on to it and make it so screen readers in windows could read it.
>>>> KompoZer: This app is another derivitive of NVU and it's no coincidence
>>>> that its name resembles the html editor component in Seamonkey.
>>>> Apparently it's the editor that sort of kept the torch alight for a few
>>>> years until seamonkey was updated. Works like a word processor. Menus
>>>> are accessible, and it just feels like you're in a word processor while
>>>> in wisiwyg mode. There's a tags mode and a source mode if you want to
>>>> edit the code directly as well. Seamonkey's Composer, that's composer
>>>> with a c and an s as opposed to with a k and a z, does the same thing.
>>>> Haven't figured out which of the two editors is better yet, they're so
>>>> similar. I like the suite version though so I'm sticking with that since
>>>> I'm sick and tired of outlook acting crazy on me.
>>>>
>>>> Adobe dreamweaver cs5: This is the only commercial pick I had. i'm still
>>>> demoing it in fact. Jaws appears to have no problems with it so far.
>>>> It's huge advantage is that it comes with templates and wizzards and you
>>>> can edit all sorts of things with it in addition to html. It's the only
>>>> truly accessible app I've found so far that can create xml, html, php,
>>>> javascript and all that sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Apps to watch:
>>>>
>>>> Html kit: This isn't a wisiwyg but it's got all sorts of features. The
>>>> menus are not jaws friendly, however. There are reputedly some Jaws
>>>> scripts out there for it but the link is broken when you go to download
>>>> it from sourceforge, I think it was. Without them, it's very hard to
>>>> work with.
>>>> Amaya 11.3: This is a browser and editor rolled into one. It's free and
>>>> made by the worldwide Web Consortium, the ones who write and say what
>>>> constitutes the standards for html code itself. Menu bars are perfectly
>>>> accessible, buttons and toolbars are too once autographics labeler is
>>>> run. Hotkey navigation is enabled. Trouble is, the actual content
>>>> editing area is not. The window class is something called wx_amaya
>>>> Canvas. Jaws has absolutely no idea what to make of it. Any page you
>>>> edit in notepad from scratch that you then have it open comes up
>>>> allright but all the text is rendered into graphics with graphic
>>>> numbers. Jaws cursor and pc cursor navigation alike are fruitless.
>>>> Virtual cursor doesn't kick in either. Why am I including this? Because,
>>>> you see, anytime anyone doing web development wonders what you have to
>>>> do to make a webpage acessible to screen reders, they get referred to
>>>> the w3c. Anytime standardization issues come up for accessibility as a
>>>> hole across all forms of assistive technology, the w3c's the resource
>>>> people are refered to. Even Freedom Scientific refers people to them
>>>> when they want to make websites accessible. So, it stands to reason that
>>>> sooner or later, the very editor of the wc3 will become very accessible
>>>> to blind users. When will that be? I don't know. They're close though.
>>>> It'll have to wait till they do it since I didn't get the impression
>>>> freedom scientific was too interested in tackling the problem when I
>>>> sent in a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> That's all for now. I hope someone finds this e-mail useful and
>>>> informative. Even if you aren't interested in an html editor, give
>>>> seamonkey a try, you might like it just for the broser and e-mail
>>>> funtionality. Most of the firefox add-ons seem to work with seamonkey as
>>>> well. Incidentally, this e-mail I'm writing, is being composed in
>>>> Seamonkey. Haven't had a single Jaws incident and I'm loving it!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
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