Hi I tried Chatzilla but not for ages. Seemed to work well with JAWS. I use NVDA full time, and no doubt NVDA will work fine with this client.
Signed by Chris Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 22/06/2010 0:02, Alex Midence wrote:
My guess is that it does work with it since it's multiplatform. There's a linux version and a mac OSX version. I can't imagine there not being a windows 7 version. I think I may indeed join that mozilla list. Thanks for sending me the link. I'm really enjoying their software. Do you happen to know if chatzilla works well with Jaws? It's the irc client for irc chat. Thanks. Alex chris hallsworth wrote:Ok, so does this Seamonkey work on Windows 7? Think I'll also ask on my Blind Mozilla list. Feel free to join by sending a blank message to blind-mozilla-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Signed by Chris Hallsworth E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 21/06/2010 4:12, Alex Midence wrote:Hi, all, Wanted to share this discovery with everyone out there. For some time now, I've been searching for a jaws-friendly html editor. I've found two of them, three really, and I wanted to spread the word about them in case anyone else needs these tools. Best part of it all is that most of these are free. So, to all those manufacturers out there whose products are inaccessible, consider yourselves gifted with the bird! The one I've settled upon offers much more than I bargained for but, in a good way. It is called Sea Monkey. It's made by Mozilla and is actually a suite of applications containing seamonkey, a browser, seamonkey e-mail, and Composer which is an html editor descended from something they had made some years ago called NVU. The whole thing runs on a Mozilla engine similar to Firefox. Because of this, I was able to use the Firefox scripts for Jaws 10 and hit the ground running. I just did a select all in the Firefox.jss file and copied and pasted the whole thing minus the comments at the top into the seamonkey.jss file the program generated. Control+s to compile, alt+tab back to my application and voi la! It worked like acharm. Best of all? It's free totaly, absolutely, free. So, if you are tired of outlook 2007 and have a choice in the matter, download this package and give it a whirl. So far, Jaws reads it just fine. Anyone who used netscape communications a few years back will feel right at home since this is a direct descendant of it as it were. Here are my other picks for Jaws-friendly html editors: Arachnophelia 4.0: This one is supposed to work with Jaws right out of the box with no problem. The only thing to worry about is that it was written in 2001 and html has evolved considerably since then. There is a more recent version but the guy made it multiplatform and used Java. Apparently, when he did, he didn't fix it so the accessbridge could latch on to it and make it so screen readers in windows could read it. KompoZer: This app is another derivitive of NVU and it's no coincidence that its name resembles the html editor component in Seamonkey. Apparently it's the editor that sort of kept the torch alight for a few years until seamonkey was updated. Works like a word processor. Menus are accessible, and it just feels like you're in a word processor while in wisiwyg mode. There's a tags mode and a source mode if you want to edit the code directly as well. Seamonkey's Composer, that's composer with a c and an s as opposed to with a k and a z, does the same thing. Haven't figured out which of the two editors is better yet, they're so similar. I like the suite version though so I'm sticking with that since I'm sick and tired of outlook acting crazy on me. Adobe dreamweaver cs5: This is the only commercial pick I had. i'm still demoing it in fact. Jaws appears to have no problems with it so far. It's huge advantage is that it comes with templates and wizzards and you can edit all sorts of things with it in addition to html. It's the only truly accessible app I've found so far that can create xml, html, php, javascript and all that sort of thing. Apps to watch: Html kit: This isn't a wisiwyg but it's got all sorts of features. The menus are not jaws friendly, however. There are reputedly some Jaws scripts out there for it but the link is broken when you go to download it from sourceforge, I think it was. Without them, it's very hard to work with. Amaya 11.3: This is a browser and editor rolled into one. It's free and made by the worldwide Web Consortium, the ones who write and say what constitutes the standards for html code itself. Menu bars are perfectly accessible, buttons and toolbars are too once autographics labeler is run. Hotkey navigation is enabled. Trouble is, the actual content editing area is not. The window class is something called wx_amaya Canvas. Jaws has absolutely no idea what to make of it. Any page you edit in notepad from scratch that you then have it open comes up allright but all the text is rendered into graphics with graphic numbers. Jaws cursor and pc cursor navigation alike are fruitless. Virtual cursor doesn't kick in either. Why am I including this? Because, you see, anytime anyone doing web development wonders what you have to do to make a webpage acessible to screen reders, they get referred to the w3c. Anytime standardization issues come up for accessibility as a hole across all forms of assistive technology, the w3c's the resource people are refered to. Even Freedom Scientific refers people to them when they want to make websites accessible. So, it stands to reason that sooner or later, the very editor of the wc3 will become very accessible to blind users. When will that be? I don't know. They're close though. It'll have to wait till they do it since I didn't get the impression freedom scientific was too interested in tackling the problem when I sent in a suggestion. That's all for now. I hope someone finds this e-mail useful and informative. Even if you aren't interested in an html editor, give seamonkey a try, you might like it just for the broser and e-mail funtionality. Most of the firefox add-ons seem to work with seamonkey as well. Incidentally, this e-mail I'm writing, is being composed in Seamonkey. Haven't had a single Jaws incident and I'm loving it! Regards, Alex -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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