[jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
- From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:24:23 -0400
Yes, the SPAM message at the top is annoying and tells me nothing! Have you
been attacked?
Don Marang
There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real
substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working
on things that matter.
Dean Kamen
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From: "Ann Marie Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:25 AM
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
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> Hi again,
> Testing a spam message included within my messages.
> Ann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 9:47 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>
>
>>I agree that performing OCR of a web page has many difficulties! I have
>> also thought a basic OCR function should be part of any screen reader. I
>> understand the COBRA has some OCR capabilities.
>>
>> Has anyone attempted to use the OCR capabilities of Webvisum? In
>> addition
>> to solving a CAPTCHA, it has the capability to select a graphic and
>> perform
>> OCR on it and also provide a label to use in the future if possible. It
>> is
>> primarily designed to extract the text of buttons, but may be useful for
>> other things. If it can solve a hard to read CAPTCHA, it may do fairly
>> well
>> on small graphics.
>>
>> Don Marang
>>
>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>> real
>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>> working
>> on things that matter.
>> Dean Kamen
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 9:17 AM
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>
>>> It would be nice to have an OCR option but as you say Jeff there is so
>>> much garbage on the screen that OCR doesn't work well. I have often
>>> taken
>>> screen shots and then ran them through OCR to glean what little text I
>>> can
>>> get out of them and most of the time they really are unusable. One
>>> thing
>>> that does help a little is when people use the alt print screen which
>>> captures only the application window and not the desktop and what ever
>>> else is in the background minimizing the garbage.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tom Bisset
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>>> Sent: November 5, 2010 3:50 AM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>
>>> I've been thinking for years that jaws should have an on the fly OCR
>>> manager
>>> and labelling wizard thinggy. but, I hear you that the sites are so
>>> dynamic
>>> that this might only be of limited use. but, it'd be useful
>>> none-the-less
>>> I
>>> reckon, to have such a thing. But, I'm told that the visual complexity,
>>> and
>>> the low, "signal to noise," threshold that the computer screen offers,
>>> as
>>> compared to that provided by text on pages, means this would be of very
>>> limited success. so I'm told anywayz. e.g. apparently, the powers that
>>> be
>>> tell me it'd be very hard for an OCR process to establish what was part
>>> of
>>> the photographic elements to decode, and what was decorative stuff and
>>> shading and things, which might reeeally confuse any such process to the
>>> point of being unuseable. I suppose I must believe them, though boy,
>>> I've
>>> been wanting such a tool for a jolly long time in jaws I can tel ya,
>>> even
>>> if
>>> it didn't work much of the time but did work sometimes?but of course,
>>> support issues would be outrageous so I guess it's not gunna happen any
>>> time soon. <sigh.>
>>>
>>> ou-- Original Message -----
>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:26 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>
>>>
>>>> but you don't need such thing, because smooth text is generated on the
>>>> fly
>>>> when the page is displayed.
>>>> So the developer has for sure the natural text, but they are so
>>>> ignorant
>>>> regarding the accessibility that they don't think to put that text as a
>>>> alternative solution.
>>>> Even that the graphic is not generated on the fly, when it was
>>>> generated
>>>> some one there had the text and possibly the text is still there and
>>>> can
>>>> be
>>>> refurbished in a plain text page.
>>>> On the other hand, sifr is based on flash, and if flash is not
>>>> installed
>>>> it
>>>> degrades back to plain text and css.
>>>> How ever, they have the text, but they don't want to put it there.
>>>> More over think that the content of a page is dynamic, you can not
>>>> OCR-ise
>>>> a
>>>> page and that is all, because from request to request the content of
>>>> the
>>>> page may change.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ann Marie Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:44 AM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Do you know if there is software to convert smooth text to pure text?
>>>>> I am just thinking that if a site has inaccessible text then one
>>>>> could
>>>>> save
>>>>> page in question in some format, then put file through OpenBook or
>>>>> another
>>>>> conversion software package, save as text or something readable, then
>>>>> possibly give file back to web developer to add a link text only link
>>>>> and
>>>>> post text info under accessible link?
>>>>> I have no idea about web development but just thinking how an
>>>>> inaccessible
>>>>> site might become accessible at low cost and effort.
>>>>> Ann
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Elise Lonsdale" <elise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> Having not seen the web site in question, it's also possible that the
>>>>>> graphic in question was produced by one of those programs that place
>>>>>> text
>>>>>> inside a graphic. To the sighted and possibly novice web developer,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> just see what appears as text and continue building their web site
>>>>>> oblivious
>>>>>> to whether it's a graphic with nice smooth text in their graphic or
>>>>>> true
>>>>>> text, which we can read with a screen reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen web pages bashed up by Microsoft Publisher, where if a bloc
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> text appears close to a picture or word art, the program will just
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> nice bit fat graphic of that part of the page to preserve the visual
>>>>>> layout
>>>>>> for the novice developer, Bingo you get a non-accessible web page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm Regards - Elise Lonsdale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 7:08 AM
>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann, u queried:
>>>>>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically, that's pretty much right. Whether the text was
>>>>>> photographed, drawn, etc., it was done as a graphic rather than text
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> no screenreader, except possibly Cobra, reads that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W/o an access code, if the site is ok till then, the link is pretty
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> ndg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Likely the screen was drawn in bitmaps as opposed to printing of
>>>>>>>> actual text, &, if that be the case, no scripting in the world's
>>>>>>>> gonna
>>>>>>>> fix it because Jaws is simply unable to read bitmaps. Having said
>>>>>>>> thus, u didn't provide the site url in order for us to check.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> I used IE to go to a web site to take a word test. I had an
>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>> from the site and when I entered a new browser window opens.
>>>>>>>>> Jaws reports graphics...
>>>>>>>>> Is there any way to scritp this easily to access?
>>>>>>>>> The screen instructed me to open a specific file and then to
>>>>>>>>> proceed.
>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>> sighted person told me that is what my screen stated.
>>>>>>>>> I used Windows XP Pro, Jaws11.xx and IE 8.0.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just curious how could this become more accessible?
>>>>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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