[jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
- From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:15:12 -0400
It also has to do with the fact that many developers nowadays are
do-it-yourself types, or teach yourself how to do this or that, which
neglects many things in the process. For example, if you want to achieve a
certain thing on your site, many developers would look for the easiest or
quickest way, because let's face it, there's not much time to work in these
things. So they find the quickest route, whether it be having a script
generate a graphical content banner, use a flash script built by somebody
else or make the layout of the site based on graphics, or grab a template
that was made by another do-it-yourself learner who didn't take time out to
develop for situations of accessibility and alternative uses. So as you can
see the job gets done, but it doesn't necessarily follow guidelines or
standards of any sort.
Another aspect of this issue is that it's not only about learning the
guidelines and how the w3c or whichever authority lays things out, you have
to understand what it is that your trying to accomplish and how it's suppose
to work. This gives you an understanding on what you're doing and how to
make it work in an obtimum setting. If developers took time out to do these
things they'd find that you can break things into pieces and a lot of this
becomes reusable for other projects and saves you time in the long run. But
well built, cross-platform, accessible and well done sites take time to
build and that's something that either developers and/or clients don't want.
That's why you have so many templates and cms stuff online nowadays. Not
that these things are necessarily bad, but if a site is using a template
which was made by someone else and that someone else didn't take
accessibility into account, then the whole site is inaccessible, and they
don't know how to fix it because they didn't wirte the code, the template
developer did... So it's an endless loop that while nobody does anything
about it (usually the site owner/admin) it'll just go on and on...
HTH, D!J!X!
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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ann Marie Medlar
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I hear you loud and clear but in the mean time it seems that many don't
abide by the W3 principles and guidelines.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elise Lonsdale" <elise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:23 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>
>
> Hi Ann,
> If a web developer is looking for a quick and inexpensive solution to
> a problem like what's below, they would be well served learning their
> trade properly and getting it Wright in the first place.
>
> A user of a web site should not have to be OCR'ing the text to send it
> back to the web site and it's owner only to have subsequent users
> click on some special link to access that text. W3C standards clearly
> define how a web site should be created using all the necessary markup
> that should make almost every web page accessible to us with little
> messing around. It's just that there are a lot of people out there
> who just don't have a clue how to do it Wright in the first place.
>
> Warm Regards
> Elise Lonsdale
>
> Do you know if there is software to convert smooth text to pure text?
> I am just thinking that if a site has inaccessible text then one
> could save
>
> page in question in some format, then put file through OpenBook or
> another conversion software package, save as text or something
> readable, then possibly give file back to web developer to add a link
> text only link and post text info under accessible link?
> I have no idea about web development but just thinking how an
> inaccessible
>
> site might become accessible at low cost and effort.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elise Lonsdale" <elise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:00 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> Having not seen the web site in question, it's also possible that the
>> graphic in question was produced by one of those programs that place
>> text inside a graphic. To the sighted and possibly novice web
>> developer, they just see what appears as text and continue building
>> their web site oblivious to whether it's a graphic with nice smooth
>> text in their graphic or true text, which we can read with a screen
>> reader.
>>
>> I've seen web pages bashed up by Microsoft Publisher, where if a bloc
>> of text appears close to a picture or word art, the program will just
>> make a nice bit fat graphic of that part of the page to preserve the
>> visual layout for the novice developer, Bingo you get a
>> non-accessible web page.
>>
>> Warm Regards - Elise Lonsdale
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
>> Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 7:08 AM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>
>> Ann, u queried:
>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data
>> and then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>
>> Basically, that's pretty much right. Whether the text was
>> photographed, drawn, etc., it was done as a graphic rather than text
>> & no screenreader, except possibly Cobra, reads that.
>>
>> W/o an access code, if the site is ok till then, the link is pretty
>> much ndg.
>>
>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> As far as BitMaps does this mean that a photo was taken of text data
>>> and then posted rather than someone typeing text info?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: web sites with graphics
>>>
>>>
>>>> Likely the screen was drawn in bitmaps as opposed to printing of
>>>> actual text, &, if that be the case, no scripting in the world's
>>>> gonna fix it because Jaws is simply unable to read bitmaps. Having
>>>> said thus, u didn't provide the site url in order for us to check.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/4/10, Ann Marie Medlar <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> I used IE to go to a web site to take a word test. I had an
>>>>> access code from the site and when I entered a new browser window
>>>>> opens.
>>>>> Jaws reports graphics...
>>>>> Is there any way to scritp this easily to access?
>>>>> The screen instructed me to open a specific file and then to proceed.
>>>>> A
>>>>> sighted person told me that is what my screen stated.
>>>>> I used Windows XP Pro, Jaws11.xx and IE 8.0.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious how could this become more accessible?
>>>>> Ann
>>>>>
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