[jawsscripts] operating YouTube volume, rewind/FastForward with Jaws/ScreenReders
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:18:55 +1000
yep this is pretty normative in my view.
it's a flash element, in this case, and I have had eyes on this last night
and can at least now share with you what I have learned from my kind
friend's patient assistance.
This was mostly penned before seeing Don's very informative info as to the
authorship of all this great new accessibility that has come to youTube
flash player, that certainly was not there before.
I wonder why though, if they did all that, they left any "unlabelled
buttons," in the thing at all! which their certainly still are. however,
it's streets ahead of where we were before they all did this.
so, Yay! I say.
man isn't the web just fantastic that one can share eyes all over the jolly
world now!
from my testing here from jaws7 through jaws10, it appears to me that the
recent changes which now identify, some, of the buttons in the youTube flash
player, have not come through later internal jaws tweaks, but from something
either from within adobe flash player itself, or from youTUbe's
implementation/markup of it, which is a wonderful thing for us, for which I
intend to write to whomever makes youtube, and thank them profusely for.
for this whole youtube experience is a whole lot more accessible/useable for
us now than it ever was before!
yay for near equal participation!
now, firstly, usual disclaimers all over the place for all below!
This post will probably get wider circulation than just this jaws Scripting
list, so forgive the references to multiple screenReaders, which some may
feel inappropriate here.
I offer the below only from my limited experience/findings, As Is, I think
the expression is,
and absolutely cannot guarantee in any way that they'll work flawlessly or
even at all, for anyone else.
Tip: I also find this experience a tad more reliable, if one goes into
verbosity menu, and under jaws10, hits letter p to jump to the "page
refresh," option, and toggles it's default state of, "automatically," to,
"off." it just seems to reduce some of the random movement of the flash
buttons, coz in virtual cursor land they do seem to shift around the place a
bit more when this is left set to automatically. Don't yet know what other
negative caveats setting this refresh page to off though would have, so take
this as a warning.
tip2: I also find this process is rendered with a greater level of
confirmatory helpful feedback, if one turns on a feature which is off by
default in jaws, called notify when cursor changes shape.
I feel This is helpful because in this process, it's quite useful to be able
to hear when the mouse pointer, is either an arrow shape, or what jaws, not
very definitively, <groan>,
identifies as, "unknown," which I'm told is actually a hand shape,
indicating to sightlings that you can drag something, or even perhaps that
something is clickable etc, don't quote me on the last one.
and this information can be very helpful for blind people to know as well!
Why do not fs choose to label their mousePointters more helpfully me asks?
FS are you listening? he he!
To do this:
1. hit insert+f2, to bring up the run jaws manager menu, then hit c for
config manager, and enter.
2. if you wish to make this change across the board to all applications, hit
controlShiftD to load the default config set, before moving to step 3. if
you only want this valid for your browser, from whence youTube is obviously
going to reside, then skip this step and move to step 3.
3. hit alt+s for set options menu, then c for cursor dialog.
the first option in here should be "notify when cursor changes shape." which
is usually unchecked by default.
4. check this box with spaceBar, then press enter to save the change, then
control+s to save the new config settings, and alt+f4 to quit config
manager.
Whilst there seems to be no way to jump directly to flash movies, which I
reeeeally had thought there was a quick key for this at one stage, but I can
no longer identify what that was, if it ever existed outside my imagination
at all,
it seems that after searching for a youtube presentation, and then clicking
on the link you want from the results listing,
and it then beginning to play, at least in my version of IE, which I'm sorry
to say for testing purposes is still IE6, so this may be different in IE7,
8, or firefox,
the youtube flash player seems to come up pretty much at the start of
heading level 1. so after first hitting controlHome to insure one is at the
top of the page in virtual land,
one can press h to jump there, and then arrow down till you hear jaws say
"flash movie start," which is where one's youTube playbakc monipulation
controls are located.
alternatively, you can also just start hittin the quick key B, for button,
which now also seems to take into account these labelled/identified, and
also unlabelled buttons, which appear in the youTube flash player.
Thirdly, an even quicker way just discovered, is to press Tab after jumping
to the heading level 1 section.
For it also seems as if these buttons are now tabbable to as well! Amazing!
The advantage of using tab to navigate to them is, that it seems to skip the
buttons that are still unlabelled in here, which arrowing to them or hitting
quickKey B, does not do.
So this can be quite helpful especially if your trying to navigate to either
the play/pause button to cease playback/shut it up, or the volume/mute
button, from whence
you can operate jaws to reduce the volume, as indicated below,
when you got bearly hearable speech feedback due to the potential volume of
the youtube playback content etc.
though having said that, I unfortunately feel I should add for completeness,
that I've found so farr that tabbing isn't always as reliable for getting
virtual pc onto this button, than is arrowing or hitting B, though I don't
quite yet know why. I advise if you can hear at all, to confirm by hitting
readCurrent
line, to see if it also identifies you are really focused on the volume/Mute
button that you think you are, after you've tabbed to it.
Using this latter tabbing method, assuming the flash player is in the first
heading level1 section, after pressing controlHome, then h once, here, I tab
once to get to the play/pause button, which spaceBar operates, or 3 times,
to get to the volume/mute button. Passing in the middle, the seekSliderBar
button, which is also extraordinarily useful to be able to operate with your
screenReader's mouse movement commands,
to rewind/fastForward through youTube content, See below.
Firstly to change the volume, after landing on the volume/mute button,
assuming you do not wish to just mute it with spacebar, which would be
pretty pointless for majority of purposes,
try the following:
1. press your screenReader's route mouse to virtual pc control, in jaws of
course it's insert+NumPad Minus.
The mouse should now be on the mute button, along with the virtual pc cursor
focus.
. If you want to confirm this, you can click your screenReader's left
mouseButton command, once should mute the sound, once again should bring it
back to the same volume level it was before.
2. Hit your screenReader's pixel mouseMovement right command, in jaws this
is altShiftRightArrow, 3 times, moving 9 pixels right, in jaws default 3
pixels per press settings, to get more towards the centre of this button,
since it's actually wider than the volume track bar, which is directly above
it.
tip: at any time, you can hit the Jaws extraordinarily difficult to execute
ReadMousePointer shape keystroke, insert+control+shift+c,
to identify manually what the mousePointer shape is, if you miss it spoken
automatically as it changes shape.
When over the mute button, in jaws, it should identify as, "unknown."
3. . Now in jaws, press AltShiftUpArrow about 13 times, moving about 39
pixels upwards, to get to a spot in the volume trackBar, which seems to be a
goodish spot for reducing level such that you might hear your screenReader
speech above it, when coming out of the same soundCard.
4. click the leftMouseButton. your volume should jump down by a
considerable amount, enabling you to hear your screenReader better.
Tip: if you want some confirmatory feedback that your volume trackBar is
really there, for believe me there are for some reason, situations why
sometimes it just does not appear at all onscreen,
whilst your navigating with altShiftUpArrow, if you do so with slight
pausing between each altShiftArrow press, to give yourself time to hear what
jaws might announce between each, you should, at about the 7th press from
the beginning, hear jaws identify that the mousepointer shape has returned
to being an arrow, then about the 9th press, you should hear that it's once
again become, "unknown," according to jaws, really, it's now a hand shape.
This means that your volume track bar is really there. if you don't hear
this, or if at the 13th press, you manually check the mousePointer shape,
and it still identifies as an arrow shape, then the volume TrackBar is not
visible, and you'll need to try shift Tabbing away from the button, and
tabbing back to it again, and jump back to step 1, repeating the process.
viz, the mousePointer shape, should identify as, "Unknown," by jaws,
if you are truly over the
volume trackBar, and for your click anywhere along this, to jump the volume
to the
position of the mouse.
Now. If this works, and it's too soft for you, you can then either:
(a.) use your screenReader's leftButtonLock command, in jaws it's
insert+NumPadSlash, then press altShiftUpArrow, which will drag the volume
slider up and allow you to hear the sound of the volume increasing in
realTime as you do it. Use this command again when the volume is at the
level you want, to unlock the mouseButton and leave it there.
(b.) alternatively, you can simply keep altShiftUpArrowing, then left click
the mouseButton, to jump the volume to your new position. However using
this method won't give you the much more helpful experience of hearing
exactly what your level is dynamically in realTime, before jumping your
volume to that point.
Now as indicated above, Sometimes this trackBar for some as yet inexplicable
reason, fails to appear, as it only seems to appear either after the
MousePointer is hovering over a certain spot on Screen, or perhaps when
virtual focus is moved to the volume/mute button, I'm not entirely sure
which yet. Sometimes I've found that even shiftTabbing away from and
tabbing back to the volume/mute button and repeating the above process, does
not change the mousePointer shape to the "unknown," shape, which it needs to
be when sitting about 30 pixels above the volume/mute button, to indicate
that the trackBar is really visible there. viz, the volume/mute button can
be
there, and the mousePointer can be unknown at that point, and even operate
it via left clicking, but sometimes, the actual volume TrackBar still does
not appear. so do be aware of this.
now, for operating the SeekSliderBar button to rewind/FastForward youTube
content, try the following:
1. navigate to this button with virtual cursor, either by tabbing, arrowing,
or using B/ShiftB to get there.
Remembering that tabbing doesn't seem to always be quite as reliable as
other two methods.
2. route Mouse/jaws Cursor to virtual PC cursor.
3. using ScreenReader's mouseMovement LeftRight commands this time, move in
the direction you wish to take the youTube clip, obvoiusly left to rewind,
right to fastForward.
4. click the leftMouseButton at the new location. The clip should
immediately jump to this new position.
now, if you have hotSpotClicker installed and set up to run in your browser,
even in the basic Use "HotSpotClicker.jsb"
mode,
some other rather sweet operations become available to you.
But, I won't detail them here now, because, ... oh heeehee
heheeheheheheheheheha,
this is sooooo'oe'oe'oe'oe'oe funny! after all this work and all this
testing, I've taken Don's adobe links he provided today,
and read up on this a bit and done some more testing, and, ... guess what!
oh man! this is funny! your all gunna laugh big time!
ok, everyone sitting comfortably?
right, then I'll begin.
if you actually insure you tab to any one of the buttons in the youTube
flash movie, such that they are really in actual proper focus in the
browser, as opposed to just using quick keys or arrows in virtual land to
navigate to them, in which case this of course doesn't work,
but, if you then just hit insert+z, to turn off virtual pc, then suddenly,
your upDown arrows become volume controls, and your left right arrows skip
back and forth around the clip! oh the simplicity of it all! he he!in very
large segments mind you, so the above was still worth knowing about if you
want finer resolution, but, who knows, maybe there's even a way to change
the keyboard arrow resolution operation of those controls! he he, he he, he
ha!
So don, looks like that's how one forces the screen reader into a sort of
fake forms mode, or really, I guess, more returning keyboard functionality
to the browser itself, by temporarily turning off virtual pc with insert+z.
you can't of course read anything like the elapsed time, or anything useful
whilst virtual pc is disabled,
but, that's what I've discovered so far anywayz! home and end don't seem to
work for me here in IE 6 though, to skip to beginning and end of the clip,
which I'm sure I read on the adobe site Don posted, that it was meant to,
but now we can write to people at adobe about this anywayz. I've also got
to insure I've got the latest flash player version 10 installed, which I
don't know how to check that yet. if anyone knows, maybe they could post
that here? oh what a lengthy post!
I'm off to bed now.
geoff c.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: jaws and YouTube
> yep, and it don't show even then as a graphic to the page.
>
> At 11:54 AM 7/16/2009, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Did you try going into the verbosity dialog with Insert+V and
> >switching the graphics-show item to all? It's set to tagged by default.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >----------
> >Jim Homme
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> >
> >"You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim Homme
Sr.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:01 PM
> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: jaws and youtube
> >
> >ah, thus why I never saw it with all the jaws and invisible cursoring I
did
> >either, thanks for the info.
> >
> >elf
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:21 PM
> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: jaws and youtube
> >
> >
> > > On youtube, there is a speaker graphic. This graphic is not seen by
> > > jaws, and controls the volume for the flash content that comes of
> > > that page. i had to have someone with sight do a remote on my box to
> > > get it turned on and then up.
> > >
> > > At 12:38 AM 7/15/2009, you wrote:
> > >>hmmm, I thought it was controlled by the system volume, but I could be
> > >>wrong, if I get a chance I'll take a look, but am in the middle of one
of
> > >>my
> > >>lists moving, so am a little overrun at the moment!
> > >>
> > >>laters,
> > >>elf
> > >>proprietor, The Grab Bag,
> > >>for blind computer users and programmers
> > >>http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
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> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Julio" <jmorones@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:50 PM
> > >>Subject: [jawsscripts] jaws and youtube
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > hello I have a question I was playing youtube vidios on my
computer
> > >> > but I
> > >> > want to know is their any jaws scrips I can't turn up the volume.
> > >> >
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