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- From: Paul Bonarrigo <pjbonarrigo@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT)
I love the Jaws dialog and have used segmented text.
Although Jaws dialog can show entries in Alpha order, it will return the
segmented index.
i.e. "Zee, Why, Aye" displays Aye as alphabetically first but will return a 3.
I just use the index returned and get the segmented text related to it.
Paul B
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 01:29:28 -0400
From: Doug Lee <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
Would you be able to provide a function that demonstrates this
problem? Apologies if I missed that in previous posts in this thread,
but looking again, I see descriptions of the problem but not an actual
code block demonstrating it.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:32:06PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
Nope, it acts up on this. Try it some time. Make a list segmented and make
it order the list. Then speak the integer I actually picks. What is funny is
that it will speak a much different value than what you selected, however,
if you string segment on your string and reference the variable I as the
dialog, it works just fine. I know this is a really weird bug. Perhaps this
is a JAWS 13 thing? I'll test it on JAWS 12 and see if it happens.
John
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We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
Does that help?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1 to
sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
the while statement.
When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in the
list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it actually
goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
I'm referring to.
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no longer
what item 3 was before.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList and
arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function in
a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
example say I have the following segmented string.
Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
"|",0,i)
The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item in
the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you sort
the list inside the function call.
This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog, that
would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
possible.
Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
Thanks,
John Martyn
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 01:31:02 -0400
From: Doug Lee <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
The StringCompare() function is probably better for comparing strings
for less/greater/equal. StringToInt does not help for this unless the
strings are, or begin with, digits. But yes, the comparison operators
do a sort of comparison. The precise nature of this comparison is a
bit interesting and is different by default in JAWS 13 than in JAWS 12
and older.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:42:27PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
JAWS 12 does the same thing. But there is hope. I can resort the list
containing the item name and item number just like what I did with the
segment1 and segment2 function I put out there. I could write this one too
One other thing I noticed is that you can compare string values to see what
is higher. The character A being the lowest and Z being the highest. Try it
out. I just put ABB and ABC in the comparison below.
if "abb" < "abc" then
SayString("yes")
endif
Interesting that you can compare strings for values. I guess string to int
isn't needed.
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
Does that help?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1 to
sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
the while statement.
When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in the
list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it actually
goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
I'm referring to.
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no longer
what item 3 was before.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList and
arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function in
a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
example say I have the following segmented string.
Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
"|",0,i)
The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item in
the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you sort
the list inside the function call.
This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog, that
would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
possible.
Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
Thanks,
John Martyn
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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:21:48 -0700
Interesting news. I wrote a function that kind of works, at least
alphabetizing the list, now I need to get the numbers to match up.
I'll have to test this with JAWS 12, but doesn't this string at the top make
JAWS 13 act more like JAWS 12 and below with string comparisons?
;#pragma StringComparison partial
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
The StringCompare() function is probably better for comparing strings for
less/greater/equal. StringToInt does not help for this unless the strings
are, or begin with, digits. But yes, the comparison operators do a sort of
comparison. The precise nature of this comparison is a bit interesting and
is different by default in JAWS 13 than in JAWS 12 and older.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:42:27PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
JAWS 12 does the same thing. But there is hope. I can resort the list
containing the item name and item number just like what I did with the
segment1 and segment2 function I put out there. I could write this one too
One other thing I noticed is that you can compare string values to see what
is higher. The character A being the lowest and Z being the highest. Try it
out. I just put ABB and ABC in the comparison below.
if "abb" < "abc" then
SayString("yes")
endif
Interesting that you can compare strings for values. I guess string to int
isn't needed.
John
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:03 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
Does that help?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1 to
sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
the while statement.
When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in the
list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it actually
goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
I'm referring to.
John
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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:05 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no longer
what item 3 was before.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList and
arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function in
a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
example say I have the following segmented string.
Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
"|",0,i)
The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item in
the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you sort
the list inside the function call.
This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog, that
would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
possible.
Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
Thanks,
John Martyn
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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:23:50 -0700
I'll email the code block tomorrow since I am going to sleep now. I know
it's a bug in the actual script interface, but I have figured out how to
alphabetize the lists before they hit the dialog.
John
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:29 PM
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Would you be able to provide a function that demonstrates this problem?
Apologies if I missed that in previous posts in this thread, but looking
again, I see descriptions of the problem but not an actual code block
demonstrating it.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:32:06PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
Nope, it acts up on this. Try it some time. Make a list segmented and make
it order the list. Then speak the integer I actually picks. What is funny is
that it will speak a much different value than what you selected, however,
if you string segment on your string and reference the variable I as the
dialog, it works just fine. I know this is a really weird bug. Perhaps this
is a JAWS 13 thing? I'll test it on JAWS 12 and see if it happens.
John
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To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
Does that help?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1 to
sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
the while statement.
When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in the
list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it actually
goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
I'm referring to.
John
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:05 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no longer
what item 3 was before.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList and
arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function in
a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
example say I have the following segmented string.
Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
"|",0,i)
The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item in
the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you sort
the list inside the function call.
This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog, that
would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
possible.
Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
Thanks,
John Martyn
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:35:52 -0400
From: Doug Lee <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
Yes, that line makes JAWS 13's operators work for comparisons like
they did in JAWS 12 and before.
I finally broke down and wrote a function to test this myself. I thus
verified why it's happening:Â In the DlgSelectItemInList call, the
parameter after nSort, the index to start on, represents how far from
the top of the list on screen to start, not how far from the start of
the string. This may and may not be by design, but it is how the
function works.
My function:
void function dsilTest()
var string segs = "dog|cat|lion|bear|tiger|rhyno|horse"
var int i = 1
while i
   ; The selected item is the ith from the top on screen, not the ith from
the start of the string.
   i = DlgSelectItemInList(segs, "Select an Animal", True, i)
   sayInteger(i)
endWhile
endFunction
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:21:48PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
Interesting news. I wrote a function that kind of works, at least
alphabetizing the list, now I need to get the numbers to match up.
I'll have to test this with JAWS 12, but doesn't this string at the top make
JAWS 13 act more like JAWS 12 and below with string comparisons?
;#pragma StringComparison partial
John
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From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:31 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
The StringCompare() function is probably better for comparing strings for
less/greater/equal. StringToInt does not help for this unless the strings
are, or begin with, digits. But yes, the comparison operators do a sort of
comparison. The precise nature of this comparison is a bit interesting and
is different by default in JAWS 13 than in JAWS 12 and older.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:42:27PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
JAWS 12 does the same thing. But there is hope. I can resort the list
containing the item name and item number just like what I did with the
segment1 and segment2 function I put out there. I could write this one too
One other thing I noticed is that you can compare string values to see what
is higher. The character A being the lowest and Z being the highest. Try it
out. I just put ABB and ABC in the comparison below.
if "abb" < "abc" then
SayString("yes")
endif
Interesting that you can compare strings for values. I guess string to int
isn't needed.
John
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:03 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
Does that help?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1 to
sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
the while statement.
When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in the
list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it actually
goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
I'm referring to.
John
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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:05 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no longer
what item 3 was before.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList and
arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function in
a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
example say I have the following segmented string.
Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
"|",0,i)
The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item in
the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you sort
the list inside the function call.
This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog, that
would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
possible.
Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
Thanks,
John Martyn
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From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:53:47 +1100
Hi Doug. Are you feeling up to specifying for us, what the differences
exactly are, that you mention below, between 12 and 13, as regards differing
methodology of their string comparisons?
and/or how you discovered they were different?
or is that a stupid question. If I might answer it an alternate way than
bugging you about it, maybe indicate how/where you learned?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
> The StringCompare() function is probably better for comparing strings
> for less/greater/equal. StringToInt does not help for this unless the
> strings are, or begin with, digits. But yes, the comparison operators
> do a sort of comparison. The precise nature of this comparison is a
> bit interesting and is different by default in JAWS 13 than in JAWS 12
> and older.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:42:27PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
> JAWS 12 does the same thing. But there is hope. I can resort the list
> containing the item name and item number just like what I did with the
> segment1 and segment2 function I put out there. I could write this one too
> One other thing I noticed is that you can compare string values to see
> what
> is higher. The character A being the lowest and Z being the highest. Try
> it
> out. I just put ABB and ABC in the comparison below.
> if "abb" < "abc" then
> SayString("yes")
> endif
> Interesting that you can compare strings for values. I guess string to int
> isn't needed.
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:03 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
> compare
>
> We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
> I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
> segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
> segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
>
> If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
> segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
> and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
>
> Does that help?
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
> I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1
> to
> sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
> the while statement.
> When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in
> the
> list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it
> actually
> goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
> can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
> I'm referring to.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:05 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
> compare
>
> You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
> sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
> for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
> also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no
> longer
> what item 3 was before.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
> I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList
> and
> arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
> assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function
> in
> a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
> example say I have the following segmented string.
> Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
>
> Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
> first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
> string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
> function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
> selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
> "|",0,i)
>
> The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item
> in
> the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you
> sort
> the list inside the function call.
>
> This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
>
> If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog,
> that
> would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
>
> I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
> possible.
>
> Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Martyn
>
>
>
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>
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:11:37 -0300
From: Andrew Hart <ahart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Geoff,
Up until version 13, JAWS Script is used non-standard string comparison
operators. By non-standard, I mean that no other programming language
(that I am aware of at least) has string comparison operators like JAWS
Script. The issue is the following. In JAWS versions prior to version
13, the String Comparison operators do not take the lengths of the
strings into account. It makes the comparison based on the shorter of
the two strings being compared. For example, "hell"=="hello" is true
(1) in JAWS script, but the two strings are clearly not the same since
they are different words. The same is true of the other string
comparison operators, <, <=, >, >= and !=.
So, in order to do a proper string comparison in JAWS, it is necessary
to write code like
If (StringLength(a)==StringLength(b) && a<b)
|| (StringLength(a)<StringLength(b) && a==b) Then
SayString("a comes before b")
Else
SayString("a is the same as b or a comes after b")
endIf
Ok. I hope I've got that logic right, as I'm just tossing this out off
the top of my head. But yuck! I'm sure that's why FS introduced the
StringCompare function. Most languages have a string comparison
function similar to StringCompare.
Btw, imho the reason FS made the operators work like this was that in
the early days scripters were mainly comparing strings with window
titles and the like and the most common operation was to check that the
first part of the window title matched a certain string. Also, the
scripting/macro language was more limited in what it could do compared
to recent incarnations. So, it probably seemed like a good idea at the
time and made scripting much easier and more efficient for scripters.
However, window title usage became more varied later on and so this
strategy became less effective, plus it also influenced the entire language.
In JAWS 13, FS have refactored the string comparison operators so that
they now work as any programmer would expect them to work. That example
if statement I wrote above can now be written simply as
If a<b then
...
endif
in JAWS 13.
The
;#pragma String Comparison partial
compiler directive instructs the script compiler to use the old pre JAWS
13.0 definitions of the string comparison operators. It's a
compatibility directive. This enables you to write scripts that run on
both JAWS 13 and older versions or to take scripts from JAWS 12 that
depend on the old string operators and allow them to run on JAWS 13
without having to rewrite them.
If you always use the StringCompare function to compare strings, then
your scripts should run on both JAWS 13 and older versions as intended
without the need to include the compiler directive. This difference has
been reported on this list since JAWS 13.0 was released last year and
there is some documentation hidden away on the FS site describing
various changes that have been made to JAWS Script in versions 11.0 and
13.0 too.
Hth,
Andrew.
   On 29/03/2012 5:53 AM, Geoff Chapman wrote:
> Hi Doug. Are you feeling up to specifying for us, what the differences
> exactly are, that you mention below, between 12 and 13, as regards differing
> methodology of their string comparisons?
>
> and/or how you discovered they were different?
>
> or is that a stupid question. If I might answer it an alternate way than
> bugging you about it, maybe indicate how/where you learned?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:31 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
>
>
>> The StringCompare() function is probably better for comparing strings
>> for less/greater/equal. StringToInt does not help for this unless the
>> strings are, or begin with, digits. But yes, the comparison operators
>> do a sort of comparison. The precise nature of this comparison is a
>> bit interesting and is different by default in JAWS 13 than in JAWS 12
>> and older.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:42:27PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
>> JAWS 12 does the same thing. But there is hope. I can resort the list
>> containing the item name and item number just like what I did with the
>> segment1 and segment2 function I put out there. I could write this one too
>> One other thing I noticed is that you can compare string values to see
>> what
>> is higher. The character A being the lowest and Z being the highest. Try
>> it
>> out. I just put ABB and ABC in the comparison below.
>> if "abb" < "abc" then
>> SayString("yes")
>> endif
>> Interesting that you can compare strings for values. I guess string to int
>> isn't needed.
>> John
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:03 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
>> compare
>>
>> We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
>> I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
>> segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
>> segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
>>
>> If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
>> segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
>> and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
>>
>> Does that help?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
>> I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1
>> to
>> sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
>> the while statement.
>> When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in
>> the
>> list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it
>> actually
>> goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
>> can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
>> I'm referring to.
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:05 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or
>> compare
>>
>> You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
>> sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
>> for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
>> also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no
>> longer
>> what item 3 was before.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
>> I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList
>> and
>> arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
>> assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function
>> in
>> a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
>> example say I have the following segmented string.
>> Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
>>
>> Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
>> first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
>> string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
>> function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
>> selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
>> "|",0,i)
>>
>> The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item
>> in
>> the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you
>> sort
>> the list inside the function call.
>>
>> This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
>>
>> If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog,
>> that
>> would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
>>
>> I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
>> possible.
>>
>> Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John Martyn
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "While they were saying among themselves it
>> cannot be done, it was done." --Helen Keller __________o?>>
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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:06:58 -0400
Subject: [jawsscripts] TypeKey
Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the TypeKey
but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can do
that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.Â
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Tom Bisset
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:38:46 -0700
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
Well, Tom, control+end is actually your jawsBottomOfFile script in the
default.jss, & I would modify that if possible.
If not, then I advise thus:
1) include common.jsm, which contains the following   Â
cksControlEnd = "Control+End", (or u could make your own, but why?)
2) Your typeKey then looks like typeKey(cksControlEnd)
HTH.
On 3/29/12, Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the TypeKey
> but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can do
> that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
> TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
> typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks
> Tom Bisset
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>
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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:50:44 -0400
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
Thanks Jackie, the typeKey(cksControlEnd) does the trick. I need to look
more closely at the JSM files. I didn't even think to look there.
I see there are other useful goodies in there.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
Sent: March 29, 2012 2:39 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
Well, Tom, control+end is actually your jawsBottomOfFile script in the
default.jss, & I would modify that if possible.
If not, then I advise thus:
1) include common.jsm, which contains the following   Â
cksControlEnd = "Control+End", (or u could make your own, but why?)
2) Your typeKey then looks like typeKey(cksControlEnd)
HTH.
On 3/29/12, Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the TypeKey
> but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can do
> that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
> TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
> typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks
> Tom Bisset
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>
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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:22:51 -0700
I think the easiest way to overcome this is just do a string segment of the
segment in question and I, then iterate to find the string that matches it
in a while statement and use the safety count to determine what line you
were on. At least I think that would work. It wouldn't be exact for
duplicate items in the list thus bring you to the first selection of the
same named items, but this is better than nothing. Also I am really thinking
about aborting the alphabetizing function since the string comparisons
differ so much among JAWS versions. It's not perfect, but it should work.
I'll write back if my silly idea works.
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Yes, that line makes JAWS 13's operators work for comparisons like they did
in JAWS 12 and before.
I finally broke down and wrote a function to test this myself. I thus
verified why it's happening:Â In the DlgSelectItemInList call, the parameter
after nSort, the index to start on, represents how far from the top of the
list on screen to start, not how far from the start of the string. This may
and may not be by design, but it is how the function works.
My function:
void function dsilTest()
var string segs = "dog|cat|lion|bear|tiger|rhyno|horse"
var int i = 1
while i
   ; The selected item is the ith from the top on screen, not the ith
from the start of the string.
   i = DlgSelectItemInList(segs, "Select an Animal", True, i)
   sayInteger(i)
endWhile
endFunction
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:21:48PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
Interesting news. I wrote a function that kind of works, at least
alphabetizing the list, now I need to get the numbers to match up.
I'll have to test this with JAWS 12, but doesn't this string at the top make
JAWS 13 act more like JAWS 12 and below with string comparisons?
;#pragma StringComparison partial
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
The StringCompare() function is probably better for comparing strings for
less/greater/equal. StringToInt does not help for this unless the strings
are, or begin with, digits. But yes, the comparison operators do a sort of
comparison. The precise nature of this comparison is a bit interesting and
is different by default in JAWS 13 than in JAWS 12 and older.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:42:27PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
JAWS 12 does the same thing. But there is hope. I can resort the list
containing the item name and item number just like what I did with the
segment1 and segment2 function I put out there. I could write this one too
One other thing I noticed is that you can compare string values to see what
is higher. The character A being the lowest and Z being the highest. Try it
out. I just put ABB and ABC in the comparison below.
if "abb" < "abc" then
SayString("yes")
endif
Interesting that you can compare strings for values. I guess string to int
isn't needed.
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
We might have to look at your actual code to figure this one out then.
I don't think DlgSelectItemInList() actually reorders the items in the
segmented string you pass to it, so item 23 should be the 23rd item in the
segmented list, not the 23rd item down on screen when the list is sorted.
If you're saying DlgSelectItemInList really is reordering things in your
segmented string, which would surprise me greatly, just copy it somewhere
and then copy it back just before each DlgSelectItemInList call.
Does that help?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 08:58:23PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I know, that was just an example. The actual code is with the 0 being a 1 to
sort it. But it doesn't seem to focus the correct item when it returns to
the while statement.
When I sort it, the I gives me a value of 23 if I pick the third item in the
list. When I is set, I make it focus back on the variable I, but it actually
goes to the 23 item in the list. I hope I am explaining this as best as I
can. It seems to focus the item, the rearrange the list after. That's what
I'm referring to.
John
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Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
You're passing 0 in that last call, indicating you don't want the list
sorted that time. If you sort it the first time and you want i to be valid
for another call, you'll need to sort it the second and subsequent times
also. Otherwise, the lists themselves are not equal, and item 3 is no longer
what item 3 was before.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:47:26PM -0700, John Martyn wrote:
I think I found a bug in the jaws script. When you DLGSelectItemFromList and
arrange it in alphabetic order, it gives you the correct value when you
assign it to a variable such as int I, but if you remain in the function in
a loop, it doesn't retain which index you are to properly set you on. For
example say I have the following segmented string.
Let someSegment = "dogs|cats"
Naturally if you don't alphabetize it in the function, dogs will come up
first unless you put the flag of 1 in the built in function. Now, you can
string segment it to get the right information, but when it calls another
function that returns back to this dialog window, I wanted the previous
selection to be active. The result,I = DLGSelectDialog (someSegment,
"|",0,i)
The I at the end of that function should return you to the previous item in
the list with focus. But it doesn't return you to the same item if you sort
the list inside the function call.
This bug is annoying so I have to find a way around it.
If I can alphabetize the string segment before it goes into the dialog, that
would work, but how do you compare two words to be alphabetical?
I can think of a long drawn out process that will drive me insane, but
possible.
Is there any built in function that will help me out possibly?
Thanks,
John Martyn
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From: "Bob J." <rjustice004@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:21:14 -0500
Try this
{CTRL+END}
hth
Bob
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Subject: [jawsscripts] TypeKey
Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the TypeKey
but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can do
that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.Â
Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:45:22 -0700
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
Bob, while that does work, it's no longer the standard, & FS is
discouraging its use. If you're writing scripts for your own stuff, it
doesn't matter, of course, but if they're to be distributed, FS would
prefer that message constants be used instead. I really don't know why
they changed it, except, perhaps, that certain keystrokes could not be
adequately represented via the {} method.
On 3/29/12, Bob J. <rjustice004@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Try this
>
> {CTRL+END}
>
> hth
>
> Bob
>
>
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> From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:06 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] TypeKey
>
>
> Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the TypeKey
> but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can do
> that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
> TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
> typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks
> Tom Bisset
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From: "John Martyn" <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWS script how you alphabetize items or compare
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:20:47 -0700
Hi Andrew and Doug,
That string length thing totally fell flat for the purpose it was supposed
to serve. I did one better though and here is the function. Keep in mind
that segment2 has to be returned before segment1 when you call the function
or else it doesn't do anything. Don't ask me why, when I reversed the order
in which I made the function calls it magically worked like micky mouse on
crack.
Basically I examine the string segment and replace all spaces with the
character "a". This is because a space is treated differently than a
character. By doing this with a stringReplaceSubStrings I made it a whole
word. Then I run it through a while statement to make the lengths exactly
the same before the comparison.
It is the most reliable thing and works perfectly. Also below this first
function is me calling the functions and getting not only alphabetized for
the track names, but it reorders the actual track item in the music library.
It also returns you to the last selection . The time it takes for a long
string segment like 150 segments is about 10 seconds. For just viewing
tracks it hardly takes any time at all. I thought of creating a global that
can update in the function because I would only have to call the function
once. It can only return one thing at once, but I left it as is. Take a
look:
function AlphabetizeTheSegments(string segment1, string segment2, int
theSegment)
;sort the segmented strings from highest to lowest
var
variant newList,
variant newList2,
variant exclude,
variant tempList,
string tempMod,
string modMax,
string theMax,
int tempMax,
int skipIt,
int trigger,
int safety,
int trigger2,
int safety2,
int trigger3,
int safety3
let theMax = "zzzzzzz"
while trigger != 1
;iterate through the list for the highest number
while trigger2 != 1
let safety2 = safety2+1
while trigger3 != 1
let safety3 = safety3+1
if StringSegment (exclude, "|", safety3) == safety2 then
let skipIt = 1
let trigger3 = 1
endif
if safety3 >= StringSegmentCount (exclude, "|") then
let trigger3 = 1
endif
endwhile
let trigger3 = 0
let safety3 = 0
if skipIt == 0
let tempList = StringSegment (segment1, "|", safety2)
let tempMod = StringReplaceSubstrings (tempList, " ", "a")
let modMax = StringReplaceSubstrings (theMax, " ", "a")
while trigger3 != 1
let safety3 = safety3+1
if StringLength (tempMod) < StringLength (modMax) then
let tempMod = tempMod+"a"
elif StringLength (tempMod) > StringLength (modMax) then
let modMax = modMax+"a"
elif StringLength (tempMod) == StringLength (modMax) then
let trigger3 = 1
endif
endwhile
let trigger3 = 0
let safety3 = 0
if tempMod < modMax then
let theMax = tempList
let tempMax = safety2
endif
else
let skipIt = 0
endif
if safety2 == StringSegmentCount (segment1, "|") then
let trigger2 = 1
endif
endwhile
let trigger2 = 0
let safety2 = 0
if exclude == "" then
let exclude = tempMax
let newList = StringSegment (segment1, "|", tempMax)
let newList2 = StringSegment (segment2, "|", tempMax)
let theMax = "zzzzzzz"
else
let exclude = exclude+"|"+tempMax
let newList = newList+"|"+StringSegment (segment1, "|", tempMax)
let newList2 = newList2+"|"+StringSegment (segment2, "|", tempMax)
let theMax = "zzzzzzz"
endif
if StringSegmentCount (exclude, "|") == StringSegmentCount (segment1, "|")
then
let trigger = 1
endif
endwhile
let trigger = 0
let trigger2 = 0
let safety = 0
let safety2 = 0
if theSegment == 1 then
return newList
elif theSegment == 2 then
return newList2
endif
EndFunction
Here is where I am calling the functions to get an idea of what is being
manipulated in a menu driven system.
function ViewAllTracks(string theArtist,int addTracks,int deleteTracks)
var
int trigger,
int trigger2,
int safety2,
int trigger3,
int safety3
while trigger != 1
Say("Viewing "+theArtist+" tracks",3)
Say("Please Wait.",3)
;Say("Press escape or Cancel to return to the previous Menu",3)
var
int i,
object o,
object s,
string choices,
variant trackList,
variant trackListCount,
string trackName
let s = iTunesApp.librarysource.playlists.item(theSelectedPlaylist)
let o = iTunesApp.librarysource.playlists.item(2).tracks
while trigger2 != 1
let safety2 = safety2+1
if theArtist == StringSegment (theArtists, "|", safety2) then
if trackList == "" then
let trackList = StringSegment (theTrackNames, "|", safety2)
let trackListCount = safety2
else
let trackList = trackList+"|"+StringSegment (theTrackNames, "|", safety2)
let trackListCount = trackListCount+"|"+safety2
endif
if addTracks == 1 then
s.addtrack(o.item(safety2))
elif deleteTracks == 1 then
o.item(safety2).delete
endif
endif
if safety2 >= StringSegmentCount (theArtists, "|") then
let trigger2 = 1
endif
endwhile
if addTracks == 0 && deleteTracks == 0 then
;must do the track count first, for some strange reason it only works this
way
let trackListCount = AlphabetizeTheSegments(trackList,trackListCount,2)
let trackList = AlphabetizeTheSegments(trackList,trackListCount,1)
let i = DlgSelectItemInList (trackList, "Viewing All Tracks", 0, i)
else
return
endif
if i == 0 then
return
else
ViewTrackOptions(StringSegment (trackList, "|", i), StringSegment
(trackListCount, "|", i))
endif
endwhile
EndFunction
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From: "Bob Kennedy" <intheshop@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:59:55 -0400
I use the TypeKey and enclose the keys in quotes. You can use braces around
the keys as well and then you leave out the TypeKey function.
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From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] TypeKey
Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the TypeKey
but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can do
that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Tom Bisset
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From: "Bob Kennedy" <intheshop@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:20:17 -0400
Thanks for this. It is better to keep things uniform if possible I agree.
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From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: TypeKey
Bob, while that does work, it's no longer the standard, & FS is
discouraging its use. If you're writing scripts for your own stuff, it
doesn't matter, of course, but if they're to be distributed, FS would
prefer that message constants be used instead. I really don't know why
they changed it, except, perhaps, that certain keystrokes could not be
adequately represented via the {} method.
On 3/29/12, Bob J. <rjustice004@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Try this
>
> {CTRL+END}
>
> hth
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:06 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] TypeKey
>
>
> Hi, I want to send a keystroke from a jaws script. I looked at the
> TypeKey
> but I need to send a combination "control+end" and I do not see how I can
> do
> that. Typestring isn't doing it either.
> TypeKey ("0x03f",1 ) works in sending a single keystroke but
> typestring("control+end") isn't doing it.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks
> Tom Bisset
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