[jawsscripts] Re: assistance with using hotspot clicker in a complex application.
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:30:50 +1000
oh BTW, alex I'm told a new build of hsc may go up on hotspotclicker.org,
quite soon, maybe next week? you might wanna look out for that if you wish
to.
not sure of the fixes yet, but I think they are to do with spotRings mainly,
multiple spot rings and building them and being able to navigate around them
etc, is a fairly late addition to hsc's capabilities, when you've gotta have
just stacks and stacks of spots in an app. like you do in many music apps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:26 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: assistance with using hotspot clicker in a
complex application.
> ok Alex cool! thanks for letting me know that.
> nice that a fix could come so readily for you! <smile.> not usually the
> case!
>
> There's a lot of under the hood stuff with Vertical and horizontal offsets
> in the definition to, that don't get asked in the wizards, that you should
> look into, that can be very handy. i.e. making your hotspot like almost
> anywhere, then just getting it to search TopDown for certain text, and
> then
> mess with vertical and horizontal offsets to actually do the click in a
> different place than the found text. I've forgotten much of this now,
> but,
> man there is a lot of power in the beast. we spent 2 years on it really,
> on
> and off. and it's nearly up to build 200 now.
>
> I've just become so separated from it in recent few years due to other
> commitments.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alex wallis" <alexwallis646@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:15 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: assistance with using hotspot clicker in a
> complex application.
>
>
>> Hi Geoff,
>> thanks for your reply,
>> I had to reinstall jaws the other day, as stuff wasn't being read
>> properly with the jaws cursor,
>> it now looks like hsc is able to track my hotspots properly, I think the
>> issue was down to a corrupt jaws installation.
>> Basically what happens with my application is that it has two menus for
>> displaying information, and when you click items on one of the menus,
>> the two menus change places, so I am able to read the menus, but
>> assigning the hotspots simply means I don't have to go hunting round
>> with the jaws cursor looking for them.
>> I am using the advanced wizard, and it looks like using its near by
>> search feature it is able to click hotspots correctly.
>> But thanks so much for trying to help me, if I have any further
>> questions I will be sure to come back to you or the list.
>>
>> On 13/04/2011 12:14, Geoff Chapman wrote:
>>> Hi Alex.
>>> My Name's Geoff Chapman, and you may've seen my name in the docs, as a
>>> support person to contact about hsc functionality.
>>>
>>> ...When it was primarily developed in 2005/2007 by the mighty snowman,
>>> I used to be very up-to-speed with hsc. but, unfortunately truth be
>>> told,
>>> it's been some time now since I've used it/had my fingers in it/head
>>> around
>>> it's quirks, and am thus very not, up to speed on it any more!
>>>
>>> And added to that, I'm a bit flat stick/facing time crunch right now
>>> trying
>>> to finish a project. So doing a lengthy support deal on this will
>>> probably
>>> not be an incredibly dooable option for me right now. nor in the next
>>> 12
>>> days.
>>> Which I realize is not what you want to hear! :(
>>> <sad face.>
>>>
>>> Things that do come to my mind immediately to mention though, are:
>>>
>>> 1. is your app a "normal" local app? or, is it one with, say, a browser
>>> front end interface?
>>>
>>> 2. do you know if there is any Java involved in your app?
>>>
>>> 3. can you read text at all, at any of your required hotspots, with the
>>> Jaws
>>> cursor? or is everything just bitMapped text, such that jaws just says
>>> "blank," when you hit read Current Word, when the mouse is at your
>>> hotspot
>>> location.
>>>
>>> 4. if there is no text at your hotspot locations,
>>> might there be any other readable text, which might also move along with
>>> the
>>> shifting hotspot, that remains a constant/fixed distance from that
>>> no-text
>>> hotspot?
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. What's the nature/name of your application?
>>>
>>> 6. if there is no Jaws-cursor readable text at your hotspot, and if your
>>> hotspots move their position relative to the boarders of the current,
>>> (not
>>> just application,) window, in which they reside, then I think my man
>>> that
>>> you are going to have a very hard time making hsc sing and dance
>>> joyfully
>>> for you in this situation.
>>>
>>> One way to partially check this, might be to put the jaws cursor at the
>>> location of your hotspot, then activate the Window Restriction roter
>>> with
>>> jawsKey+r, such that it says, "current." Rather than Application, which
>>> is
>>> it's default by the way. make sure you put it back when done.
>>> then, investigate what's actually in, the smallest, current, window in
>>> which
>>> your hotspot resides, with your jaws cursor.
>>> Then, if/when your hotspot moves, you need to determine if it's location
>>> remains constant relative to the boarders of it's current window, when
>>> it
>>> does move. I.e. does the whole window that contains it, actually move?
>>> or
>>> does the hotspot move location relative to it's current window boarders.
>>> That's not bgunna be so easy to tell though, and frankly, I haven't got
>>> a
>>> way in my head to tell you, to seek to determine that right now.
>>> hmmm.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the latter, and if there's no text anywhere to help track this
>>> hotspot,
>>> I reckon hsc's gunna have a real hard time bringing you reliable joy
>>> here.
>>>
>>> There is a way to do tracking based on the color of a single pixel in a
>>> given area, which is incredibly hairy and only to be engaged in at the
>>> last
>>> last last resort, because of course what it really needs, is a way of
>>> doing
>>> a whole custom graphic pixel pattern matching snapshot feature, in order
>>> to
>>> track wherever that pixel colored whole pattern moves on screen, but
>>> that
>>> feature is unfortunately not developed yet. I only wish it was!
>>>
>>> I'm not entirely sure what you meant though, when you said,
>>> "when I click them from one part of the screen they
>>> function as expected, but when I click them from somewhere different, I
>>> am taken to the wrong part of the screen."
>>>
>>> I'd have to understand that a bit better I think, if I were to have a
>>> hope
>>> of debugging this, but, as I say, I'm just not sure I can spend the time
>>> trying to help with this,
>>> in the next 12 days or so.
>>> i.e. till the Wednesday after Easter.
>>>
>>> Write back your answers though, and if I have a moment, I'll try to help
>>> before that if I can. But, if I don't respond, please don't be
>>> surprised/get
>>> narly about it, as I'm warning up front. ok?<smile.>
>>>
>>> hope this helps a bit.
>>> it's a complex beasty as you probably know, and debugging behaviour to
>>> get
>>> reliability is not a simple task.
>>>
>>> Geoff C.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "alex wallis"<alexwallis646@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:11 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] assistance with using hotspot clicker in a
>>> complex
>>> application.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi list.
>>>> I am hoping I have come to the write place where someone might be able
>>>> to help me.
>>>> I recently found out about the hotspot clicker scripts for jaws,
>>>> I have a very complex application I need to create hotspots for, it has
>>>> a lot of different child windows that can be opened from the main
>>>> application window, and will need a lot of hotspots.
>>>> I am able to create the hotspots with no problem.
>>>> However, the issue I am experiencing is that I am able to click a
>>>> hotspot from one part of the application window, but then if I move to
>>>> another part, the hotspot location changes on the screen, by moving on
>>>> to a new list of options, and this happens with several hotspots I have
>>>> created. that when I click them from one part of the screen they
>>>> function as expected, but when I click them from somewhere different, I
>>>> am taken to the wrong part of the screen.
>>>> So can I please get some advice from the list about how I can create
>>>> hotspots, but take into account the fact that the hotspot location
>>>> changes between fixed points on the screen.
>>>> when I create my hotspots for positioning method I am using top level
>>>> window coordinates. I have tried with several of the other positioning
>>>> methodds, but this doesn't seem to help when the hotspot location
>>>> changes.
>>>> I am a complete newbie to hotspot clicker and to jaws scripting, so any
>>>> help would be really appreciated.
>>>> Many thanks, Alex.
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