[jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon

  • From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:39:03 -0500

If they already use the arrow keys, why would you need to script them, or am I not understanding what you're asking? 


Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon



thanks. I did find the names of the buttons using MSAA. sincewriting
yesterday I found out keystrokes are built in to move between chapters but
they use the arrow keys. Can I write scriptswith

typekey ("leftarrow")

to use the built in keystrokes?

I like the object list since there are other icons in the toolbar that are
similar to the ones I was looking at.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon



One tool might be GetListOfObjects.  You can try this by moving to the
window with JawsCursor, then activating HomeRow, then hit Alt+F9.  This

will

give you an idea of how that puppy works.
If you tab to one of the controls, then activate HomeRow, and use Alt+F9,
you might get the same results.  If not, hit Shift+F2 to step up the

window

chain, hitting Alt+F9 after each Shift+F2.
If that works, you may be able to use the GetListOfObjects to step through 
your window's hierarchy.

Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon


> or, alternatively, if this all fails, use HotSpotClicker DEan to bring
> quick
> and ready access to these Same ICon tools!
>
> http://www.hotSpoitClicker.org
>
> after all, that was the initial driving force behind my intention to

have

> it
> developed to what it is today! and jim's done just an amazing job with
> this
> puppy! in my view anywayz.
> one day, whenever I get around to it, 2 years and it hasn't happened

yet,

> grrr, I am going to build an audio and textual quickstart for

non-scripter

> newbies, which doesn't exist yet, at least, not one by me, Jim and Vic
> have
> both done versions of one though I believe,
> but, man in my view, hsc would get you out of trouble heaps easiest, if
> you
> have no MSAA object separation for the icons as dennis has exhorted you

to

> check for below.
> How continually reliable this solution would be, would in part depend

on:

> A.) whether each graphical icon has it's own separate window that it
> exists
> in; and whether each of these tools/windows thus has it's own trackable
> attributes, like control ID, or WindowName etc,
>
> or,
> B. whether all the tools Live inside their own one ToolBar window, > where 
> they cannot be dragged around or moved independently; such that if one
> moves, they all move. in which case you'd set your hotSpot positioning
> mode
> to Current window, rather than it's default of application window, for
> maximum reliability, if they did move often.
> or,
> C. how often they might get moved around by other things happening in

the

> program, based on their relative positions to the application window
> boarder. if they don't move at all, you could just safely choose,
> "application window," as the positioning mode/relative boarder against
> which
> the hotspots were measured.
> you'd of course define each as a separately labellable hotSpot, once > you 
> knew the purpose of each same Icon tool. BTW this is very, very common

in

> many applications these days. which is why hsc is sooooo groovy!
>
>
> BTW dennis, for my own knowledge, I'd be very keen to have you resite

the

> next part of this story for us all, as to how one might go about

scripting
> this kind of sitch up from the back end, as it were, if these same > icons 
> end
> up Having, separately determineable MSAA names/attributes? some example
> code
> of how one might best suss that? Because,
> without absolutely checking on this to be sure, but although hsc I

believe

> does monitor the ObjectName as part of it's snapshot when defining each
> hotspot,
> I am unsure as to it's present capabilities
> regarding direct MSAA object attributes as settable criteria for
> trackability, when activating the spot.
> and, obviously, it'd be rather nice to have this option as an > additional 
> built in location criteria tool.
> plus, I'd very much like to know how one might go about scripting up
> manually, access to this kind of sitch anyway. i.e. code to crawl

through
> current window looking for the uniquely determined MSAA object > attribute 
> etc.
> feel like spilling on that one?
> I'm sure you do.
> he he.
>
> thanks.
>
> geoff c.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:22 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
>
>
>> Do the graphics have MSAA data?  Land on one and go into HomeRow with
>> Insert+Space, then cycle through F10, hitting F9 at each item through

the

>> cycle.  See if you get any name, value, description, etc.
>> Also, while in HomeRow, cycle through F3, hitting F1 at each item and

see

> if
>> it has a unique control ID.
>> Toggle off homeRow with another Insert+Space.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dennis Brown
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:16 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
>>
>>
>> When I tried turning graphics mode on all icons in the program became
>> graphic 0.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 3:27 PM
>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
>> >
>> >Have you tried turning graphics mode on in configuration manager/set
>> >options/graphics and symbols?
>> >
>> >W
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >Sent: January 9, 2008 16:23
>> >To: JAWS Scripts
>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Same Icon
>> >
>> >I have QuickVerse 2006 bible software. Some of the items in the

toolbar

>> >have the same icon so you can't distinguish between them. Some of

these

>> >are to go to the previous chapter, section, next chapter, section.
>> >Depending on the text all of the icons do not appear and if they are
>> >labled all get the same label. so then you don't know just what the
>> >icons do. Are there any suggestions as to how to remedy this?I have
>> >tried resetting the screen resolution on my PC but that doesn't >> >change 
>> >the graphic number for these four icons. They all remain the same and
>> >with the same graphic number.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Dean
>> >
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