[jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon

  • From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:45:53 -0500

One tool might be GetListOfObjects. You can try this by moving to the window with JawsCursor, then activating HomeRow, then hit Alt+F9. This will give you an idea of how that puppy works. If you tab to one of the controls, then activate HomeRow, and use Alt+F9, you might get the same results. If not, hit Shift+F2 to step up the window chain, hitting Alt+F9 after each Shift+F2. If that works, you may be able to use the GetListOfObjects to step through your window's hierarchy. 


Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
or, alternatively, if this all fails, use HotSpotClicker DEan to bring quick 
and ready access to these Same ICon tools!

http://www.hotSpoitClicker.org
after all, that was the initial driving force behind my intention to have it developed to what it is today! and jim's done just an amazing job with this 
puppy! in my view anywayz.
one day, whenever I get around to it, 2 years and it hasn't happened yet,
grrr, I am going to build an audio and textual quickstart for non-scripter
newbies, which doesn't exist yet, at least, not one by me, Jim and Vic have 
both done versions of one though I believe,
but, man in my view, hsc would get you out of trouble heaps easiest, if you 
have no MSAA object separation for the icons as dennis has exhorted you to
check for below.
How continually reliable this solution would be, would in part depend on:
A.) whether each graphical icon has it's own separate window that it exists 
in; and whether each of these tools/windows thus has it's own trackable
attributes, like control ID, or WindowName etc,

or,
B. whether all the tools Live inside their own one ToolBar window, where
they cannot be dragged around or moved independently; such that if one
moves, they all move. in which case you'd set your hotSpot positioning mode 
to Current window, rather than it's default of application window, for
maximum reliability, if they did move often.
or,
C. how often they might get moved around by other things happening in the
program, based on their relative positions to the application window
boarder. if they don't move at all, you could just safely choose,
"application window," as the positioning mode/relative boarder against which 
the hotspots were measured.
you'd of course define each as a separately labellable hotSpot, once you
knew the purpose of each same Icon tool. BTW this is very, very common in
many applications these days. which is why hsc is sooooo groovy!


BTW dennis, for my own knowledge, I'd be very keen to have you resite the
next part of this story for us all, as to how one might go about scripting
this kind of sitch up from the back end, as it were, if these same icons end up Having, separately determineable MSAA names/attributes? some example code 
of how one might best suss that? Because,
without absolutely checking on this to be sure, but although hsc I believe
does monitor the ObjectName as part of it's snapshot when defining each
hotspot,
I am unsure as to it's present capabilities
regarding direct MSAA object attributes as settable criteria for
trackability, when activating the spot.
and, obviously, it'd be rather nice to have this option as an additional
built in location criteria tool.
plus, I'd very much like to know how one might go about scripting up
manually, access to this kind of sitch anyway. i.e. code to crawl through
current window looking for the uniquely determined MSAA object attribute
etc.
feel like spilling on that one?
I'm sure you do.
he he.

thanks.

geoff c.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon



Do the graphics have MSAA data?  Land on one and go into HomeRow with
Insert+Space, then cycle through F10, hitting F9 at each item through the
cycle.  See if you get any name, value, description, etc.
Also, while in HomeRow, cycle through F3, hitting F1 at each item and see

if

it has a unique control ID.
Toggle off homeRow with another Insert+Space.

Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:16 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon


When I tried turning graphics mode on all icons in the program became
graphic 0.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jan 9, 2008 3:27 PM
>To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon
>
>Have you tried turning graphics mode on in configuration manager/set
>options/graphics and symbols?
>
>W
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: January 9, 2008 16:23
>To: JAWS Scripts
>Subject: [jawsscripts] Same Icon
>
>I have QuickVerse 2006 bible software. Some of the items in the toolbar
>have the same icon so you can't distinguish between them. Some of these
>are to go to the previous chapter, section, next chapter, section.
>Depending on the text all of the icons do not appear and if they are
>labled all get the same label. so then you don't know just what the
>icons do. Are there any suggestions as to how to remedy this?I have
>tried resetting the screen resolution on my PC but that doesn't change
>the graphic number for these four icons. They all remain the same and
>with the same graphic number.
>
>Thanks,
>Dean
>
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