that was my thinking too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > I'd assign that to the Alt+Left and Alt+Right so as to still use left and > right within the html window. > > Thanks, > Dennis Brown > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:11 PM > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > > > > That sounds like it might be the way to go. There are several windows on > > the > > desktop so passing by JAWS sounds like it might work. > > > > Dean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john.falter" <john.falter@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:00 PM > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > > > > > >> How about > >> JawsKey+3 to pass key Through) > >> then right arrow? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:34 PM > >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > >> > >> > thanks. I'll check this out when I have time at home. > >> > > >> > Dean > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:51 PM > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> > > >> > If the virtual cursor is off and you press an arrow do you move to a > >> > new > >> > chapter? > >> > If so, try the following to move to the next chapter: > >> > > >> > if GetJCFOption (OPT_VIRTUAL_PC_CURSOR)==1 then > >> > SetJCFOption (OPT_VIRTUAL_PC_CURSOR, 0) > >> > {right arrow} > >> > SetJCFOption (OPT_VIRTUAL_PC_CURSOR, 1) > >> > endIf > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >> > Sent: January 10, 2008 17:50 > >> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> > In JAWS you use the arrow keys to read the text. The text area is in > >> > html so > >> > JAWS virtualizes the window. so if I want to go to the next chapter and > >> > hit > >> > the right arrow it will just go to the next character and not to the > >> > next > >> > chapter. so I need to create new keystrokeswith their keystrokes in the > >> > script. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:39 PM > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> > > >> > > If they already use the arrow keys, why would you need to script > >> > > them, > >> > or > >> > am > >> > > I not understanding what you're asking? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > Dennis Brown > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:09 PM > >> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > thanks. I did find the names of the buttons using MSAA. > >> > > > sincewriting > >> > > > yesterday I found out keystrokes are built in to move between > >> > chapters > >> > but > >> > > > they use the arrow keys. Can I write scriptswith > >> > > > > >> > > > typekey ("leftarrow") > >> > > > > >> > > > to use the built in keystrokes? > >> > > > > >> > > > I like the object list since there are other icons in the toolbar > >> > that > >> > are > >> > > > similar to the ones I was looking at. > >> > > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:45 AM > >> > > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> One tool might be GetListOfObjects. You can try this by moving to > >> > the > >> > > >> window with JawsCursor, then activating HomeRow, then hit Alt+F9. > >> > This > >> > > > will > >> > > >> give you an idea of how that puppy works. > >> > > >> If you tab to one of the controls, then activate HomeRow, and use > >> > Alt+F9, > >> > > >> you might get the same results. If not, hit Shift+F2 to step up > >> > the > >> > > > window > >> > > >> chain, hitting Alt+F9 after each Shift+F2. > >> > > >> If that works, you may be able to use the GetListOfObjects to step > >> > > >> through > >> > > >> your window's hierarchy. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Thanks, > >> > > >> Dennis Brown > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:09 PM > >> > > >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > or, alternatively, if this all fails, use HotSpotClicker DEan to > >> > bring > >> > > >> > quick > >> > > >> > and ready access to these Same ICon tools! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.hotSpoitClicker.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > after all, that was the initial driving force behind my > >> > > >> > intention > >> > to > >> > > > have > >> > > >> > it > >> > > >> > developed to what it is today! and jim's done just an amazing > >> > > >> > job > >> > with > >> > > >> > this > >> > > >> > puppy! in my view anywayz. > >> > > >> > one day, whenever I get around to it, 2 years and it hasn't > >> > happened > >> > > > yet, > >> > > >> > grrr, I am going to build an audio and textual quickstart for > >> > > > non-scripter > >> > > >> > newbies, which doesn't exist yet, at least, not one by me, Jim > >> > and > >> > Vic > >> > > >> > have > >> > > >> > both done versions of one though I believe, > >> > > >> > but, man in my view, hsc would get you out of trouble heaps > >> > easiest, > >> > if > >> > > >> > you > >> > > >> > have no MSAA object separation for the icons as dennis has > >> > exhorted > >> > you > >> > > > to > >> > > >> > check for below. > >> > > >> > How continually reliable this solution would be, would in part > >> > depend > >> > > > on: > >> > > >> > A.) whether each graphical icon has it's own separate window > >> > > >> > that > >> > it > >> > > >> > exists > >> > > >> > in; and whether each of these tools/windows thus has it's own > >> > trackable > >> > > >> > attributes, like control ID, or WindowName etc, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > or, > >> > > >> > B. whether all the tools Live inside their own one ToolBar > >> > window, > >> > > >> > where > >> > > >> > they cannot be dragged around or moved independently; such that > >> > if > >> > one > >> > > >> > moves, they all move. in which case you'd set your hotSpot > >> > positioning > >> > > >> > mode > >> > > >> > to Current window, rather than it's default of application > >> > window, > >> > for > >> > > >> > maximum reliability, if they did move often. > >> > > >> > or, > >> > > >> > C. how often they might get moved around by other things > >> > happening in > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > program, based on their relative positions to the application > >> > window > >> > > >> > boarder. if they don't move at all, you could just safely > >> > > >> > choose, > >> > > >> > "application window," as the positioning mode/relative boarder > >> > against > >> > > >> > which > >> > > >> > the hotspots were measured. > >> > > >> > you'd of course define each as a separately labellable hotSpot, > >> > once > >> > > >> > you > >> > > >> > knew the purpose of each same Icon tool. BTW this is very, very > >> > common > >> > > > in > >> > > >> > many applications these days. which is why hsc is sooooo groovy! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > BTW dennis, for my own knowledge, I'd be very keen to have you > >> > resite > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > next part of this story for us all, as to how one might go about > >> > > > scripting > >> > > >> > this kind of sitch up from the back end, as it were, if these > >> > same > >> > > >> > icons > >> > > >> > end > >> > > >> > up Having, separately determineable MSAA names/attributes? some > >> > example > >> > > >> > code > >> > > >> > of how one might best suss that? Because, > >> > > >> > without absolutely checking on this to be sure, but although hsc > >> > I > >> > > > believe > >> > > >> > does monitor the ObjectName as part of it's snapshot when > >> > defining > >> > each > >> > > >> > hotspot, > >> > > >> > I am unsure as to it's present capabilities > >> > > >> > regarding direct MSAA object attributes as settable criteria for > >> > > >> > trackability, when activating the spot. > >> > > >> > and, obviously, it'd be rather nice to have this option as an > >> > > >> > additional > >> > > >> > built in location criteria tool. > >> > > >> > plus, I'd very much like to know how one might go about > >> > > >> > scripting > >> > up > >> > > >> > manually, access to this kind of sitch anyway. i.e. code to > >> > > >> > crawl > >> > > > through > >> > > >> > current window looking for the uniquely determined MSAA object > >> > > >> > attribute > >> > > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > feel like spilling on that one? > >> > > >> > I'm sure you do. > >> > > >> > he he. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > thanks. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > geoff c. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > >> > From: "Dennis Brown" <DennisTBrown@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:22 AM > >> > > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> Do the graphics have MSAA data? Land on one and go into > >> > > >> >> HomeRow > >> > with > >> > > >> >> Insert+Space, then cycle through F10, hitting F9 at each item > >> > through > >> > > > the > >> > > >> >> cycle. See if you get any name, value, description, etc. > >> > > >> >> Also, while in HomeRow, cycle through F3, hitting F1 at each > >> > item > >> > and > >> > > > see > >> > > >> > if > >> > > >> >> it has a unique control ID. > >> > > >> >> Toggle off homeRow with another Insert+Space. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Thanks, > >> > > >> >> Dennis Brown > >> > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > >> >> From: "Dean Masters" <dwmasters@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:16 PM > >> > > >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> When I tried turning graphics mode on all icons in the program > >> > became > >> > > >> >> graphic 0. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> > > >> >> >From: "Huskins, Wayne" <Wayne.Huskins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> >> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 3:27 PM > >> > > >> >> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> >> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Same Icon > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >Have you tried turning graphics mode on in configuration > >> > manager/set > >> > > >> >> >options/graphics and symbols? > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >W > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >-----Original Message----- > >> > > >> >> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> >> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >> > > >> >> >Sent: January 9, 2008 16:23 > >> > > >> >> >To: JAWS Scripts > >> > > >> >> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Same Icon > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >I have QuickVerse 2006 bible software. Some of the items in > >> > > >> >> >the > >> > > > toolbar > >> > > >> >> >have the same icon so you can't distinguish between them. Some > >> > of > >> > > > these > >> > > >> >> >are to go to the previous chapter, section, next chapter, > >> > section. > >> > > >> >> >Depending on the text all of the icons do not appear and if > >> > they > >> > are > >> > > >> >> >labled all get the same label. so then you don't know just > >> > > >> >> >what > >> > the > >> > > >> >> >icons do. Are there any suggestions as to how to remedy this?I > >> > have > >> > > >> >> >tried resetting the screen resolution on my PC but that > >> > > >> >> >doesn't > >> > > >> >> >change > >> > > >> >> >the graphic number for these four icons. 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