[jawsscripts] Re: Jaws 13 OCR

  • From: "Andre Williams" <andre.williams.1965@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:55:54 -0700

That governmental use was probably the original intent of feature 
development but now its being touted as being developed for the rest of us. 
There are probably few jaws users out there that don't have the restrictions 
you've outlined when using jaws at home. In other words, just a handful of 
us have this corporate use limitation and can find similar solutions without 
it costing $190--the cost of my SMA.

There is lots of free software out there including a utility built right 
into windows one can use that does not depend on printing and scanning a 
document to run this type of OCR, so the time consuming process of printing 
and scanning a 15 page document is not a valid comment.

Jonathan also said that for the first time this feature allowed him to know 
the total of his monthly phone bill--in other words, isn't this feature the 
greatest thing ever. I'm pretty sure Jonathan is resourceful enough to click 
on a link on that web page and get the total for his phone bill. His words 
just come off to me as needlessly insincere and manipulative.

Overall, I just don't see this feature as worthy of a hit on my SMA.

A-W

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws 13 OCR


Wow... I can't address Jonathan Mosen's comments having failed to
notice them for myself, but I for one think this feature will prove
useful in some environments where it is impossible to access screen
text by more direct means and also not permitted to install
third-party software willy-nilly. This applies to a lot of corporate
settings I've seen in my 11 years of scripting JAWS in work settings.

Printing and recognizing a screen from paper, by the way, is so much
slower than this, even if you have Matrix-speed agility (pun on movie
and printer is intended there), that I simply don't recognize that
approach as comparable in work settings such as I describe.  If a
coworker asks you to read a 15-page PDF and it's all images, you could
indeed do that, even though again this approach should be much faster;
but if it's a question of reading and interacting with a graphic
screen containing text that JAWS normally can't see, printing and
scanning the screen will not let you find and actually click on the
Next button.

I confess, I'm accustomed to seeing the naysayers soon after any
release of any software from a large-market-share company (that would
apply to JAWS, Microsoft, and even Apple now); but this is one feature
of JAWS that I actually thought would fly above all that.

Disclaimer: I do not work for Freedom Scientific. I work for a
company that works with various screen reader vendors and many
government and private organizations to improve the ability of blind
employees to do their jobs in the workplace. I have written more
scripts for JAWS than for any other screen reader, but I have also
scripted for Window-Eyes on a number of occasions and have contributed
a small amount of code to NVDA (Skype related, that was).

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:23:54PM -0700, Andre Williams wrote:
Guys, this seems like another useless jaws feature. This OCR thing is almost
exactly what one can do with a screen capture utility built into Windows or
what you can download get for fee.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Take-a-screen-capture-print-your-screen

Yeah, this screen capture process might be slightly faster with jaws 13, but
is this worth a hit on one's SMA? I say h no!

If you listen to the FS podcast you will also come across something to the
effect of Jonathan saying that scriptors on this list were all excited about
this new feature. I don't recall a single post on this list commenting on
this feature. This makes Jonathan less than credible but I don't fall for
company BS about their own products anyways. Furthermore, I wil now accept
Jonathan's comments with a handful of salt. He's lots almost total
credibility with me with this comment at it is blatantly disingenuous. He
also claimed this feature to be a game changer in screen reader technology.

A-W

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Smart" <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 8:00 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Jaws 13 OCR


So, have any of you played with the OCR feature in Jaws 13 beta yet?

I managed to register a program last night, whose initial
registration screen was formerly invisible to Jaws. Too bad that
once I registered the program, the rest of the application turned
out to be invisible as well. *LOL*

So far, we can ocr and then read or mouse click on the results.
In what ways could this new information gleaned through OCR be tied
to other Jaws functions? I'm thinking it would be nice to be able
to put the Jaws cursor on part of the OCR results and transfer the
text into the graphics labeler, for example.

Chris

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