[jawsscripts] Re: Fw: Re: Can Logos 4 be scripted?
- From: Doug Lee <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:52:21 -0400
The Silverlight work I did was within a private contract through the
company I work for, and it was rather specific in focus to the system
I was scripting against.
I think NVDA has included some impressive support for UIA-based
environments, which includes WPF and Silverlight. I haven't played
much with that yet though.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 02:22:06PM +1000, Geoff Chapman wrote:
Doug. Did you carry out this scripting then for a specific application of
silverlight in a given environment? or to make jaws work better with it
universally wherever it is used in an html environ, which we'll all get the
benefit of in next jaws release?
or, is silverlight a programming/presentation platform, like I currently
understood WPF to be?
And what would you posit as the likely reason NVDA can read text better in
such a Logos window, than jaws would do out of the box.
Is it because NVDA might be grabbing the text from objects whereas by
default Jaws would try
the OSM or nothing?
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> From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:37 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Can Logos 4 be scripted?
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>> I've scripted for Microsoft Silverlight, which I believe shares much
>> with WPF. Would be interesting to know what's available there.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 07:54:01PM -0400, Dean Masters wrote:
>> Logos 4 is based on wpf programming. So the only things JAWS can read is
>> what Logos puts in the program. With the latest update you can open a
>> book
>> by using the library. then you can read the first line with a SayLine.
>> Then
>> if you hit the down arrow and do a SayLine it just scrolls the text a few
>> words to the right.
>>
>> I wrote a lot of scripts for Logos 3 years ago but nothing in Logos 4 is
>> scriptable.
>>
>> I think with Windows 8 JAWS won't be able to use the visual hooks like in
>> earlier Windows so I wonder if we might be able to read the text with the
>> normal keystrokes once the new version of JAWS comes out?
>>
>> They are trying to work on accessibility in Logos 4 but they onnly have
>> the
>> demo version of JAWS. They told me that with NVDA they can read the text
>> on
>> the screen. so that is why I am wondering if we might be able to when the
>> new version of JAWS comes out.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Merv Keck
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:50 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Can Logos 4 be scripted?
>>
>> I have Logos 4 Platinum Edition but am still a basic beginner when it
>> comes
>> to scripting. However, I can tell you that Logos 4 is cloud based as
>> opposed
>> to Logos 3. Since losing most of my usuable vision about 15 months ago I
>> have pretty much lost the ability to use many of my non -english language
>> studies such as Hebrew, Greek, and Akkadian cuneiform. The read aloud
>> drives me crazy and the accessibility features built into Logos 4 are
>> problematic but I understand from some other blind Logos 4 users that
>> they
>> are trying to make Logos morfe accessible so I have high expectations
>> especially since I have over 2,000 resources tied up into Logos since
>> 2001
>> and don't want to give up on it.
>> blind5sparrow
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Lee
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:39 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Can Logos 4 be scripted?
>>
>> If you're at all handy with Script Utility Mode, check out the window
>> class name of the main window, whether it has descendants, and whether
>> it has MSAA objects. If you have just a single window, no MSAA
>> objects, and no OSM text (which is what you already discovered), you
>> found a difficult case, and something like Hot Spot Clicker may be
>> your best bet. If you see a window tree and/or a set of MSAA objects,
>> it might be possible to script that.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 05:07:49PM -0400, John Thomas wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> A few years ago I wrote a set of scripts for version 3 of the Logos Bible
>> software program. A couple months after I finished, the Logos folks
>> rolled
>> out version 4. It is built on a totally different platform. My evaluation
>> of
>> version 4 is that it cannot be scripted. I just want to check my
>> assumptions
>> with the list here to see if my assessment is correct.
>>
>> I assume it cannot be scripted, because I cannot read any text with
>> either
>> the JAWS or Invisible cursor. The only thing I can read is the name of
>> the
>> program with the PC cursor. The cursor routing functions also do not
>> work.
>> With the previous version, I could use the invisible cursor to read any
>> text
>> that was visible to a sighted user. Since I cannot read anything with the
>> JAWS or Invisible cursors, I assume there is really nothing I can do with
>> version 4. Is this correct?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
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