Jaws needs to be installed on both machines to work. My understanding is that jaws does all the processing on the server and simply passes the speech to the desktop. This suggests to me that frames on the server application should work but as I say I never actually tried to use them. I worked with remote for a little while until they moved to virtual servers [ESX3] where jaws consistantly crashed the servers. I never tried to use frames and I didn't actually look to see where jaws was storing configuration changes so unless someone has actually had experience you could try a simple test. I do know that when I made configuration changes to work with applications on the server they were always available when needed Which suggests to me that frames should work. You may want to give it a try. Tom Bisset -----Original Message----- From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman Sent: January 12, 2011 6:40 AM To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Frames and Scripts and Jaws etc Hi britta I was hoping someone more experienced would pop their head up to answer this, but ... since it doesn't look like anyone has yet, I better pump the thing along by my stumblings and hope it elicits a more informed response? If your talking about "remoting," in the sense of using Remote desktop functionality, or some other method, where the local puter just totally acts as a "dumb terminal," and all the action is on the other machine, then I seriously don't know anything about that. I've never used jaws in a remote desktop type setting, other than the builtin Tandem feature JAWS has internally, which is a totally different deal, and is only relevant when both machines have jaws on them, which I presume this wouldn't be applicable to. right? Basically, my potentially poorly informed knowledge so far on this would be, that the frames would need to be only created on the local computer on which Jaws was installed, and which presumably is being used to access, visually, this inaccessible program of which you speak residing on the server? is that the case? I.e. does text appear on the monitor screen of the computer on which jaws is installed? (of course it must I guess, so the real question is, can that text be read with either the PC or JAWSCursor on the local machine? BTW In case your not aware, The JawsCursor is really the BuiltIn mouse emulation, that after NumPad Minus is pressed, Jaws uses the normative navigation keys, like arrows, home/end, pageup/pageDown etc, to control/move around. if that text is visible/readable with the jaws cursor, then you should be able to use frames to mark off regions to attach keystrokes to, to speak to the user of the local Jaws Machine. However, if your using some vfancy remote system, whereby the whole application's screens are just being "dumped" over to it as one big graphical bitMap type component, which might be quite readable and not even distinguishable as such by a sighted user, then in this case you'll find the Jaws Cursor, won't be able to read/navigate anything on the screen with the arrow keys, or control+Arrows ... etc. and in this case, ... well, let me put it this way: you'll be in a very difficult spot then. In it's most basic form, What Jaws really needs, in order to make a program accessible, is: (a) output: i.e. the application's output to the user has to be in some textual form that is visible/catchable by the video hook, (sometimes called screen scraping,) that jaws inserts into the video driver chain. Jaws needs to form what it calls and OffScreenModel, OSM, in order to effectively be able to communicate useful information from the application to the user. (b.) input: the user has to be able to navigate to the areas of interest/need, in some effective way, know where they are at any given time etc, and activate the controls, either by simulated mouseClicks at desired key locations, or, more hopefully, via builtIn keyboard navigation/controls. Does this help at all? Anyone else please chime in to help where knowledge permits? It might help us too if you were to indicate your current jaws knowledge/experience, and whether your a blind/sighted programmer? G. From: "britta sunbear" <bbt.sunbear@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: [jawsscripts] Frames and Scripts and Jaws etc > Thanks for your excellent information on Frames. Can I ask a silly question about remoting from a client computer to a server which contains an application that is inaccessible. Do I create the Frames on the remote computer and is the client JAWS able to use keystrokes to read contents of that remote frame? Or do I set up the frames on the client computer as well ? > Is it even possible to use frames this way? > Thanks, > Bbt__________� > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > __________� View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts __________� View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts