hi all, can i say thansk to all of you who gave me advice and help with my problem especially phil,i downloaded the 8.0 etc update and it cured the problem immiediatly i am one happy guy,but dont rest on your laurels guys there is more to come for example how do i get say letters turned off and say words instaed and why does v8 not tell me top or bottom of page . again guys many sincere thanks for all your help. cheers tony SVP.CO.UK, FOR YOUR BLANK MEDIA FROM A COMPANY THAT REALLY DOES CARE.!! !