In the case of graphical images of written text, if we have OCR software we can often run the file through that. Both K1000 and Open Book, as well as ScanSoft and Abbyy FineReader (later versions), have .pdf conversion facilities. With K1000, one opens the program, or one chooses to print the PDF using the K1000 Virtual Printer (or the Freedom Import Printer in the case of opening or using Open Book). (These are 'virtual printers' that run as if recognising the file on paper. Results thus obtained may not be letter-perfect, but will be better than nothing at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Medway" <philmedway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: saving adobe files as text files Hi Colin, Acrobat reader is a product of the same company as the writer as you probably know so it will just decode the PDF code into straight text. I should add that this process is not always perfect. Additionally, it is possible for creators of PDF documents to produce totally graphical pages of written information. In these cases we are absolutely scuppered. Another problem is that, occasionally, PDF creators use password protection which can inhibit our ability to save the content as text. Having said all this, Acrobat reader makes it much easier to read PDF documents without having to revert to plain text. Remember that you will often see an additional dialogue before you get to the document and will have to click the start button in this dialogue for the document to be prepared for accessible browsing. HTH, Phil Medway. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Colin Baxter" <C.R.Baxter@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: saving adobe files as text files Thanks Phil. I'll look into this. I thought I had Acrobat 7 but upon investigation I find that my PC still claims that it's 5.0. I don't know how Acrobat works. Does it in effect do an OCR job? If V7 doesn't sort out the formatting problems, I'm wondering if Kurzweil would be worth looking at. Cheers Colin -----Original Message----- >From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Phil Medway Sent: 16 August 2005 21:12 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: saving adobe files as text files Hi Colin, If you are using the latest version of Acrobat reader which is version 7, you have the option of checking for updates on the internet. I happened to do this a few minutes ago and was presented with a number of updates including one for multi-lingual support. I didn't install this update but it might be worth your while trying that before going any further. Note. If you don't have version 7 yet, you aught to acquire that first and ensure that you get the full version rather than the basic one. HTH, Phil Medway. ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Colin Baxter" <C.R.Baxter@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: saving adobe files as text files Hi all, When I read Francis' message, I was on the point of making a similar but rather more taxing enquiry. I have just received an electronic copy of an Italian language textbook from the American publishers. Instead of supplying it in Word, .RTF or .TXT format as requested, they sent the thing as a series of .PDF files plus a few other things that my PC doesn't even recognise. When I try to read the .PDF files, Jaws only manages to read a small percentage of the content of each page. I assume that this is because the page is formatted in loads of boxes, columns and fancy tables so that Jaws doesn't know whether to read across the page or down it. In the past, I've tried to convert similar documents into .TXT in the recommended way and fount that everything is legible, but that a large part of the text is jumbled. Does anyone have any idea how best to cope with this problem? Do I aim to find a way of reading the .PDF file or take the problem to the University's Computer Centre? 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