[jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:52:55 +0100
THat's doubly unfortunate because CuBase's track record with
accessibility has been very poor. However there are people working on
this, so perhaps decent access won't be too far off. What would help
get things out quicker, would be an injection of working capital.
George.
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 23 October 2010 10:37
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
No; I use Sonar occasionally. Would like to use it more except,
again, the people I need to be compatible with don't use it. Mainly I
struggle with Cubase and use SoundForge as much as possible; not much,
obviously, as it's only a single track editor.
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 22 October 2010 17:36
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Do I take it that Sonar is too down market for you?
George.
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 October 2010 14:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Tons of audio people are using Mac, but I wouldn't like to post the
kind of things said about such amateurs, by the techie guys I deal
with lol.
For myself I don't know and don't really have an opinion. Well, the
only opinion I have is that audio production is woefully inaccessible
considering it's an area VIPs could be excelling in. My main concern
is that my own working practices are compatible with the guys I have
to share files with, etc.
I'm hoping for a day when someone can take me aside and tell me
exactly what does work, easily, affordably and practically, for
independent VI audioproduction. I'm not holding my breath though :o)
Now, with apologies for o-t slant to this thread, I'm slipping back
under my rock :o)
A
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[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 22 October 2010 09:58
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Hi Amie.
Unless someone here has some actual data to show otherwise, I can see
no evidence of JAWS losing its position of market leader any time
soon. This does not mean to say Others are not gaining more of a
market share. Despite all the good things it has going for it, no one
is really seriously saying that apple is going to overtake Microsoft
any time soon. It's a bit off topic but I am interested in what you
say about people preferring the PC. I always thought that in the
field of creative media that everyone thought that apple was best in
terms of the reliability of the operating system and functionality of
software and products. This is based on my perception not hard
evidence.
I am not saying that JAWS is the best product out there. Others who
have worked with both products up close particularly in the area of
scripting etc. are in a better place than me to judge product quality.
What attracts me to the mac is that you can use it with the mac
operating system and with windows as well with the ability to choose
or by running windows in a virtual machine so you can alt tab between
them. Not sure if the keystroke is alt tab but who cares the
keystroke you use is a minor detail!
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 October 2010 08:39
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Hiya
The Question is always a live one. I'm not sure. Lots of audio
people use ProTools these days but the really techie, high-end guys
won't shift from PCs. I'm certainly not in the techie bracket myself,
obviously, but I constantly work with people who are.
Very open to suggestion and persuasion on this, although my current
kit isn't due for the boneyard yet a while. Certainly thinking about
IPhone next handset around, and like the potential usability of Mack.
Very unsure and confused about it all though. The post on this
thread, suggesting that JAWS's days might be numbered has given me
pause for thought, for sure. IF JAWS stops being the market leader
then major rethinks in order. Then again, I'm another who would be
thrilled to do without endless new versions, in exchange for something
that does the job without routinely crashing itself or, worse, my
computer.
Anyone else thinking of Macks speculatively?
Re- staffing of the suppliers, wasn't meaning to open a big
discussion. I've knocked around small business with high turnovers
quite a lot, and none of those have needed the staffing these guys
seem to. In my view a bit of a British trait is over-staffing because
businesses think it looks good to have big teams of people, for which
the customer has to pay. I prefer lean and deadly efficient
structures, where you can be sure your pennies are paying for product,
not employee pensions. Just a view. Appreciate you're straddling the
fence on this though, and not meaning to rouse you from your torpor
:o)
All good
Amie
P.S. Let's speak soon. Has been too long.
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 21 October 2010 22:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
They do sell a lot more at sight and sound than just jaws and they
also sell for more than blind people too. They deal with software and
hardware for people with dyslexia, hearing loops and stuff. I don't
know how many staff work there exactly though. All people sell JAWS
for the same price in the uk anyway and there's no doubt that it is on
the expensive side however.
Given the kind of work you are into though, have you thought about
switching over to a mac at some point? I know a lot are and the
prospect is not entirely unappealing. It just could be my next choice
as you can set it up to let you boot into windows or the mac OS which
is useful.
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 21 October 2010 14:04
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Hi Graham
Missed your post somehow. I don't know. Have never spoken to the
same person twice at Sight And Sound and Humanware has at least 3
girls in the sales department, answering the phone. Basically they
appear to be staffed like businesses serving a significant and
demanding customer base, whereas the patter is that all the prices
have to be so high because the market is so tiny. IF it is so tiny
why so many supply staff to service it? I don't know anything really
about either IT or access tech' beyond my reluctant user status, but I
know a thing or two about business, and either their market is bigger
than they say it is or they are human resource-heavy.
Hth
A
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hugh
Sent: 21 October 2010 00:48
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
What about the difference in price for jaws between the U K and the U
S how can that be justified
________________________________
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:06 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Amie, how many do they employ?
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 20 October 2010 15:18
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Graham, are you saying that it is alright to flagrantly over-charge
customers if that's what's needed to keep the suppliers' employees
pensions and perks up to scratch? Considering we're always told how
the prices are due to the small size of the market, these suppliers
seem to employ a fierce lot of people. Would you suggest a similar
rationale to a mainstream supplier?
Certainly agree with you otherwise, though;no question.
A
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 20 October 2010 12:44
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Amie, that's not entirely fair.
Theese companies do have to develop products and they have to test
them. In order to do this people have to be paid a decent living
wage. If companies do not get support or grants then they do have to
get the money to pay their costs from somewhere. I actually think we
need more companies to take the Apple approach where accessibility is
built into products rather than requiring outside companies to have to
make an inaccessible system work. They should at least be forced to
create an freely available way of gaining access to the operating
system, office suite or whatever.
I certainly agree in principal that it is morally wrong and deeply
unfair that as blind people we have to pay more to access things that
other people get for free. This is not asking for something for
nothing, but the question is how to best make products accessible most
effectively. This is a good example of where legislation is needed in
my view. The free market means survival of the fittest. Speech or
Braille access is not widely needed. Blind people are therefore never
going to be served by a totally free market. For whatever reason, few
companies choose to include accessibility into their products and the
question is how can we force companies to include accessibility into
what they make and I believe the answer probably lies in law and
appropriate regulation.
Regards
Graham
probabl
Graham Page
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 20 October 2010 11:55
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Rip-off either way, just like all access tech'. Cynical milking of
blind cash cows...imho, only :o)
A
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: 20 October 2010 11:26
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
Glass half full:
Professional is the normal cost and you can get a discount by using a
home version of the windows OS.
On 20/10/2010 09:59, Amro Bilal wrote:
Yes, Jaws pro is a total rip off, and I feel it's more like, they sat
me on a spike and I know it!
Lots of ifs, but, if you are going to use this MSDN AA for a limited
period of time, and you have a spare computer which you can put a pro
MS product on it, you could use Jaws in forty minute mode on that
spare machine. Otherwise, I am afraid I can see a free spike next to
me here or you can join Tiddy's barrel, which ever you prefer.
Sorry about the dry sense of humour this morning!
Cheers,
Amro
----- Original Message -----
From: Tiddy Ogg <mailto:oggy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws pricing
I think we all agree that Jaws Professional is a rip-off, but
they've got you over a barrel and know it. If you want/need to use
the MS professional products, you're stuck with having to use Jaws
professional, unless you can find some alternative screen reader...
and this isn't the place to discuss such things without getting your
knuckles rapped for going off topic.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: 20 October 2010 08:12
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] jaws pricing
hi.
why is it going to cost me $708 to upgrade from the jaws
stadnard to jaws pro plus sma.
which way should i go.
just that i am doing a online help desk course, and the msdn
aa subscription i have subscribed to, apart from windows 2003
stadnard, all windows xp, vista and 7 are professional.
so i need jaws pro to use these software.
please advice, what i should do.
got till november 18 to place my order with quantum technology
in sydney, australia.
marvin.
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