Hi to all! Using JFW 4.5.1 AND XP home I am having a bit of a nightmare with windows messenger, following my festive adventures with MS Messenger I now am having problems with Windows Messenger, on trying to sign in using the sign in on start up option I find that it will not do this and reportsas follows; Cannot sign in, https or tcp problem please wait till your isp resolves this issue and try later. I do not understand the error message as all other areas such as E mail and internet access are functioning fine. Interestingly, Windows Messenger then displays me as signed in, yet I'm clearly not as I recieve no alerts of any kind. any thoughts? I have tried to re-install the programme and also tried a system restore to an earlier date but to no avail! Thanks Alistair Alistair Kelly ally.kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx MSM: allykelly@xxxxxxx if you can keep your head while all around you are losing theirs you really should start to worry!