[jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
- From: Brandon Misch <bmisch2002@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:42:46 -0500
this is for jaws 11 and later
On Dec 22, 2010, at 2:14 PM, ALAN THORPE wrote:
> hi Ian
> the key combination you told us about in the email
> is it to enable the muting of jaws.
>
> if so it does not do that for me it lets me turn on or off home row what ever
> that is.
> can you shed more light please.
>
> MANY THANKS
> ALAN THORPE
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie"
> <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:52 AM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>
>
>> What is not easy about JAWS key+space and s for silence JAWS and JAWS+space
>> and r for Research it?
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Graham Page
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:00 PM
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>>
>> The problem here is the terminology. This function is called sleep mode but
>> if you don't know that it is called sleep mode then finding the function you
>> need is of coursed tricky.
>>
>> Also not everything is yet in the settings centre and I am not sure why they
>> didn't do the whole lot.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, there is an awful lot wrong with freedom scientific due
>> in part to the fact that as I understand it there is a private equity
>> company involved which is perhaps more concerned with creaming off the money
>> from the business rather than ensuring everyone is paid and left over cash
>> all goes into development. Some recent law suits have been expensive and
>> not in our best interests. JAWS has also become rather large and it is
>> probably in need of a rewrite at some point.
>>
>>
>> In the subject of the interface, while the settings centre is easy, layered
>> keys using insert space bar seem far from intuitive and easy to remember.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Tiddy Ogg
>> Sent: 22 December 2010 15:47
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> I wanted to mute Jaws during a particular program. I know it took a lot of
>> searching with the old system, too, and theoretically this should be much
>> better, but I couldn't find it.
>>
>> I've said before, that, for once, Jaws 12 did have a couple of useful
>> features - this and the option not to mention links during a say-all of a
>> web page.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Graham Page
>> Sent: 22 December 2010 15:16
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> What were you looking for?
>>
>> I'm just curious as to me it seems very straight forward indeed but maybe
>> this is because I am now used to using the search box on the start menu of
>> windows 7.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Tiddy Ogg
>> Sent: 22 December 2010 14:29
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> My thoughts exactly on the settings centre thing... but I still couldn't
>> find what I wanted when I tried it!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Amie Slavin
>> Sent: 22 December 2010 13:03
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> Surely introducing easy-to-use guidance on something as central as settings
>> is rather a stroke of basic common sense than genius :o)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Graham Page
>> Sent: 22 December 2010 07:46
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> To an extent this is true but System Access does have some very severe
>> limitations which users of all screenreaders, including JAWS would notice.
>> It is important to be able to control verbosity, to determine how much
>> information you are given and how it is presented to you. This is necessary
>> whether you are a home or a work user and this is one of the key weaknesses
>> of system access. It doesn't really have anything in the way of
>> customisation of verbosity.
>>
>> Years ago Freedom Scientific did bring out a cut down version of JAWS called
>> Connect Outloud which was aimed at home users. This screenreader only
>> worked with a limited number of applications however and different users
>> have very different wants.
>>
>> The ;point is that no one can deny that developing a decent screenreader is
>> expensive. An Open Source solution is one very good way of providing a
>> good free to use product giving those who need a screenreader a degree of
>> equality. It is however difficult for beginners to get a decent level of
>> technical support and some aspects of the product such as documentation or
>> tutorials are not necessarily of decent quality.
>>
>> I think that over all it would be better if Microsoft bought out a
>> screenreader. The company would need to have the right attitude and the
>> need to continuously develop the screenreader concerned would probably need
>> to be backed up by legislation. Ideally this would be the JAWS screenreader
>> as it is the most popular. Even if JAWS was rewritten, its user interface
>> has always been a strength and in no situation is this more true than with
>> the new settings guide which takes almost no time at all to get used to. It
>> could harldy be simpler to find what you need and this is a stroke of
>> genius.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> Graham Page
>> Mobile: 07753 607980
>> Fax: 0870 706 2773
>> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: 21 December 2010 17:58
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> actually system access does what you need buy it once and never pay for
>> sma's ever again and it uses pretty much all of the jaws keys since the
>> layout is based on jaws.
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Kevin Morris wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using Jaws for about 14 years now and find it very good.
>>> Having said that, I'm familiar with it and it may well be that if I
>>> tried NVDA or other similar software I'd be converted.
>>>
>>> It does appear that Jaws is overpriced (it would be great if you just
>>> paid, once for it and you got all subsequent upgrades free without the
>>> need for SMAs etc).
>>>
>>> I'm not going to ditch it yet but would certainly welcome an expansion
>>> of choice and, as Graham mentions the incorporation of screen reading
>>> software into all PCs would be a very welcome development.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On 21/12/2010, Graham Page <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> JAWS for Windows is becoming an increasingly large download and I do find
>>>> myself wondering if it is not time that JAWS had a rewrite, dropping more
>> of
>>>> the legacy support. It is wholly reasonable for example for JAWS not to
>>>> support anything older than Windows XP which has now been around for over
>> 9
>>>> years. As many people have said though, there is now little if any
>>>> justification for the differences between JAWS standard and JAWS
>>>> Professional and JAWS Pro should in my opinion be dropped and JAWS should
>> be
>>>> sold at the same price as the standard virsion, working with all
>> operating
>>>> systems. In the longer term however, the PC should go the same way as
>> the
>>>> Mac with a screenreader included as standard that really works. Only
>> when
>>>> we reach this stage can we even begin to talk about equal access to
>>>> computers. Some vendors and manufacturers would go out of business but
>>>> that is just tough luck. This may be eutopia rather than a realistic
>>>> possibility but lets just say that if Microsoft were to purchase one of
>> the
>>>> existing screenreaders and employ an appropriate amount of development
>> staff
>>>> so the screenreader could be shipped with windows it would make things
>> very
>>>> interesting indeed. JAWS would be an obvious target as it probably still
>>>> has the largest user base.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Graham Page
>>>> Mobile: 07753 607980
>>>> Fax: 0870 706 2773
>>>> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of chris hallsworth
>>>> Sent: 21 December 2010 12:19
>>>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> I will publicly state why I am refusing to use JAWS. It is Freedom
>>>> Scientific's attitude towards pricing and their license schemes. Some of
>>>> us can't or won't afford to buy JAWS, especially if the free one is just
>>>> as good as JAWS. As for the license scheme, the user is punished to
>>>> license JAWS on up to three machines. With the free and even other
>>>> commercial screen readers one can install on as many computers as they
>>>> have so long as one machine is used at a time, no questions asked. With
>>>> JAWS, once all three authorizations have been used they would then have
>>>> to request FS for more keys. Eventually and I will say eventually they
>>>> will refuse flat and get paranoid about people sharing authorization
>>>> keys. I understand piracy and all that and I certainly don't commit to
>>>> any of that stuff however at the same time FS is just asking for money
>>>> and not caring about the customer. True there is a dongle option, but
>>>> even they can have their fair share of problems. Now for the technical,
>>>> I do find the free one to be actually more stable and even works with
>>>> more applications than JAWS. You may find this shocking but this is true
>>>> according to my personal experience.
>>>> On a positive note, I would like to publicly thank the guys at Sight and
>>>> Sound. They have been really helpful in answering my JAWS queries, even
>>>> though the suggestions may not be what I was looking for. It's better to
>>>> have good communication rather than nothing at all. So thanks, and keep
>>>> up the great works.
>>>> Take care.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Chris Hallsworth
>>>> You can contact me at the following channels:
>>>> E-mail and Facebook: challsworth2@xxxxxxx
>>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>>>
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