[jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:00:57 -0000
The problem here is the terminology. This function is called sleep mode but
if you don't know that it is called sleep mode then finding the function you
need is of coursed tricky.
Also not everything is yet in the settings centre and I am not sure why they
didn't do the whole lot.
Don't get me wrong, there is an awful lot wrong with freedom scientific due
in part to the fact that as I understand it there is a private equity
company involved which is perhaps more concerned with creaming off the money
from the business rather than ensuring everyone is paid and left over cash
all goes into development. Some recent law suits have been expensive and
not in our best interests. JAWS has also become rather large and it is
probably in need of a rewrite at some point.
In the subject of the interface, while the settings centre is easy, layered
keys using insert space bar seem far from intuitive and easy to remember.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tiddy Ogg
Sent: 22 December 2010 15:47
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
I wanted to mute Jaws during a particular program. I know it took a lot of
searching with the old system, too, and theoretically this should be much
better, but I couldn't find it.
I've said before, that, for once, Jaws 12 did have a couple of useful
features - this and the option not to mention links during a say-all of a
web page.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 22 December 2010 15:16
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
What were you looking for?
I'm just curious as to me it seems very straight forward indeed but maybe
this is because I am now used to using the search box on the start menu of
windows 7.
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tiddy Ogg
Sent: 22 December 2010 14:29
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
My thoughts exactly on the settings centre thing... but I still couldn't
find what I wanted when I tried it!
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 December 2010 13:03
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
Surely introducing easy-to-use guidance on something as central as settings
is rather a stroke of basic common sense than genius :o)
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 22 December 2010 07:46
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
To an extent this is true but System Access does have some very severe
limitations which users of all screenreaders, including JAWS would notice.
It is important to be able to control verbosity, to determine how much
information you are given and how it is presented to you. This is necessary
whether you are a home or a work user and this is one of the key weaknesses
of system access. It doesn't really have anything in the way of
customisation of verbosity.
Years ago Freedom Scientific did bring out a cut down version of JAWS called
Connect Outloud which was aimed at home users. This screenreader only
worked with a limited number of applications however and different users
have very different wants.
The ;point is that no one can deny that developing a decent screenreader is
expensive. An Open Source solution is one very good way of providing a
good free to use product giving those who need a screenreader a degree of
equality. It is however difficult for beginners to get a decent level of
technical support and some aspects of the product such as documentation or
tutorials are not necessarily of decent quality.
I think that over all it would be better if Microsoft bought out a
screenreader. The company would need to have the right attitude and the
need to continuously develop the screenreader concerned would probably need
to be backed up by legislation. Ideally this would be the JAWS screenreader
as it is the most popular. Even if JAWS was rewritten, its user interface
has always been a strength and in no situation is this more true than with
the new settings guide which takes almost no time at all to get used to. It
could harldy be simpler to find what you need and this is a stroke of
genius.
Regards
Graham
Graham Page
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-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Brandon Misch
Sent: 21 December 2010 17:58
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
actually system access does what you need buy it once and never pay for
sma's ever again and it uses pretty much all of the jaws keys since the
layout is based on jaws.
On Dec 21, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Kevin Morris wrote:
> I've been using Jaws for about 14 years now and find it very good.
> Having said that, I'm familiar with it and it may well be that if I
> tried NVDA or other similar software I'd be converted.
>
> It does appear that Jaws is overpriced (it would be great if you just
> paid, once for it and you got all subsequent upgrades free without the
> need for SMAs etc).
>
> I'm not going to ditch it yet but would certainly welcome an expansion
> of choice and, as Graham mentions the incorporation of screen reading
> software into all PCs would be a very welcome development.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 21/12/2010, Graham Page <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> JAWS for Windows is becoming an increasingly large download and I do find
>> myself wondering if it is not time that JAWS had a rewrite, dropping more
of
>> the legacy support. It is wholly reasonable for example for JAWS not to
>> support anything older than Windows XP which has now been around for over
9
>> years. As many people have said though, there is now little if any
>> justification for the differences between JAWS standard and JAWS
>> Professional and JAWS Pro should in my opinion be dropped and JAWS should
be
>> sold at the same price as the standard virsion, working with all
operating
>> systems. In the longer term however, the PC should go the same way as
the
>> Mac with a screenreader included as standard that really works. Only
when
>> we reach this stage can we even begin to talk about equal access to
>> computers. Some vendors and manufacturers would go out of business but
>> that is just tough luck. This may be eutopia rather than a realistic
>> possibility but lets just say that if Microsoft were to purchase one of
the
>> existing screenreaders and employ an appropriate amount of development
staff
>> so the screenreader could be shipped with windows it would make things
very
>> interesting indeed. JAWS would be an obvious target as it probably still
>> has the largest user base.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> Graham Page
>> Mobile: 07753 607980
>> Fax: 0870 706 2773
>> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>> Behalf Of chris hallsworth
>> Sent: 21 December 2010 12:19
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> Hello all.
>> I will publicly state why I am refusing to use JAWS. It is Freedom
>> Scientific's attitude towards pricing and their license schemes. Some of
>> us can't or won't afford to buy JAWS, especially if the free one is just
>> as good as JAWS. As for the license scheme, the user is punished to
>> license JAWS on up to three machines. With the free and even other
>> commercial screen readers one can install on as many computers as they
>> have so long as one machine is used at a time, no questions asked. With
>> JAWS, once all three authorizations have been used they would then have
>> to request FS for more keys. Eventually and I will say eventually they
>> will refuse flat and get paranoid about people sharing authorization
>> keys. I understand piracy and all that and I certainly don't commit to
>> any of that stuff however at the same time FS is just asking for money
>> and not caring about the customer. True there is a dongle option, but
>> even they can have their fair share of problems. Now for the technical,
>> I do find the free one to be actually more stable and even works with
>> more applications than JAWS. You may find this shocking but this is true
>> according to my personal experience.
>> On a positive note, I would like to publicly thank the guys at Sight and
>> Sound. They have been really helpful in answering my JAWS queries, even
>> though the suggestions may not be what I was looking for. It's better to
>> have good communication rather than nothing at all. So thanks, and keep
>> up the great works.
>> Take care.
>> --
>>
>> Chris Hallsworth
>> You can contact me at the following channels:
>> E-mail and Facebook: challsworth2@xxxxxxx
>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>
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