[jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
- From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:15:39 -0000
Have you used the new interface? If so you will know that everything is
arranged in a tree view along with a search box that you can use to search
for what you want. You can use just some of the words. You can also press
tab from any of the items to get help on that item. It is certainly quite
simple to use and yes on the face of it it is basic common sense but no
other screen reader has implemented a settings structure as simple and easy
to use as this. It really does take almost no learning at all to operate
and change settings once you know what setting you want to change. In
previous versions of JAWS finding a particular setting has often taken
people a lot of effort to actually find out or guess where the setting is
to be found that needs changing.
Regards
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 22 December 2010 13:03
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
Surely introducing easy-to-use guidance on something as central as settings
is rather a stroke of basic common sense than genius :o)
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 22 December 2010 07:46
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
To an extent this is true but System Access does have some very severe
limitations which users of all screenreaders, including JAWS would notice.
It is important to be able to control verbosity, to determine how much
information you are given and how it is presented to you. This is necessary
whether you are a home or a work user and this is one of the key weaknesses
of system access. It doesn't really have anything in the way of
customisation of verbosity.
Years ago Freedom Scientific did bring out a cut down version of JAWS called
Connect Outloud which was aimed at home users. This screenreader only
worked with a limited number of applications however and different users
have very different wants.
The ;point is that no one can deny that developing a decent screenreader is
expensive. An Open Source solution is one very good way of providing a
good free to use product giving those who need a screenreader a degree of
equality. It is however difficult for beginners to get a decent level of
technical support and some aspects of the product such as documentation or
tutorials are not necessarily of decent quality.
I think that over all it would be better if Microsoft bought out a
screenreader. The company would need to have the right attitude and the
need to continuously develop the screenreader concerned would probably need
to be backed up by legislation. Ideally this would be the JAWS screenreader
as it is the most popular. Even if JAWS was rewritten, its user interface
has always been a strength and in no situation is this more true than with
the new settings guide which takes almost no time at all to get used to. It
could harldy be simpler to find what you need and this is a stroke of
genius.
Regards
Graham
Graham Page
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-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Brandon Misch
Sent: 21 December 2010 17:58
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Why I am not going to use JAWS
actually system access does what you need buy it once and never pay for
sma's ever again and it uses pretty much all of the jaws keys since the
layout is based on jaws.
On Dec 21, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Kevin Morris wrote:
> I've been using Jaws for about 14 years now and find it very good.
> Having said that, I'm familiar with it and it may well be that if I
> tried NVDA or other similar software I'd be converted.
>
> It does appear that Jaws is overpriced (it would be great if you just
> paid, once for it and you got all subsequent upgrades free without the
> need for SMAs etc).
>
> I'm not going to ditch it yet but would certainly welcome an expansion
> of choice and, as Graham mentions the incorporation of screen reading
> software into all PCs would be a very welcome development.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 21/12/2010, Graham Page <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> JAWS for Windows is becoming an increasingly large download and I do find
>> myself wondering if it is not time that JAWS had a rewrite, dropping more
of
>> the legacy support. It is wholly reasonable for example for JAWS not to
>> support anything older than Windows XP which has now been around for over
9
>> years. As many people have said though, there is now little if any
>> justification for the differences between JAWS standard and JAWS
>> Professional and JAWS Pro should in my opinion be dropped and JAWS should
be
>> sold at the same price as the standard virsion, working with all
operating
>> systems. In the longer term however, the PC should go the same way as
the
>> Mac with a screenreader included as standard that really works. Only
when
>> we reach this stage can we even begin to talk about equal access to
>> computers. Some vendors and manufacturers would go out of business but
>> that is just tough luck. This may be eutopia rather than a realistic
>> possibility but lets just say that if Microsoft were to purchase one of
the
>> existing screenreaders and employ an appropriate amount of development
staff
>> so the screenreader could be shipped with windows it would make things
very
>> interesting indeed. JAWS would be an obvious target as it probably still
>> has the largest user base.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> Graham Page
>> Mobile: 07753 607980
>> Fax: 0870 706 2773
>> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
>> Behalf Of chris hallsworth
>> Sent: 21 December 2010 12:19
>> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Why I am not going to use JAWS
>>
>> Hello all.
>> I will publicly state why I am refusing to use JAWS. It is Freedom
>> Scientific's attitude towards pricing and their license schemes. Some of
>> us can't or won't afford to buy JAWS, especially if the free one is just
>> as good as JAWS. As for the license scheme, the user is punished to
>> license JAWS on up to three machines. With the free and even other
>> commercial screen readers one can install on as many computers as they
>> have so long as one machine is used at a time, no questions asked. With
>> JAWS, once all three authorizations have been used they would then have
>> to request FS for more keys. Eventually and I will say eventually they
>> will refuse flat and get paranoid about people sharing authorization
>> keys. I understand piracy and all that and I certainly don't commit to
>> any of that stuff however at the same time FS is just asking for money
>> and not caring about the customer. True there is a dongle option, but
>> even they can have their fair share of problems. Now for the technical,
>> I do find the free one to be actually more stable and even works with
>> more applications than JAWS. You may find this shocking but this is true
>> according to my personal experience.
>> On a positive note, I would like to publicly thank the guys at Sight and
>> Sound. They have been really helpful in answering my JAWS queries, even
>> though the suggestions may not be what I was looking for. It's better to
>> have good communication rather than nothing at all. So thanks, and keep
>> up the great works.
>> Take care.
>> --
>>
>> Chris Hallsworth
>> You can contact me at the following channels:
>> E-mail and Facebook: challsworth2@xxxxxxx
>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>
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