Ok, I'm going to make a few comments to what people have said with regards to this escalating situation. This is a situation which has been on-going for some time. I am not in a position to comment on it as I do not know the facts. My comments are based on what I see on the list and what I am seeing is something which could shortly become a cause for legal actions. This is what I am not going to allow this list to be used for. Some of you have quoted me as saying that the group is here to provide support for people, I agree and I have never detracted from that statement. I will also point out that I have clearly stated, and I am not going to quote it, you can read it on a post from yesterday or the day before, that I was in no way asking Dorothy to leave, that still stands. I also said that I sympathized with her situation. What I want stopped, as I again stated, was the naming of people and organizations which again, I will state, could lead to legal actions. Yes, by all means, continue to discuss the problem and suggest solutions, after all, as you say, this is exactly what the group is for, but the naming and shaming must stop. This is my final word on the matter. Steve Hyde-Dryden Group Owner -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phill Sent: 31 January 2006 18:52 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Steve Dryden Bryan carver Sales Director. Steve, You said, "This group is here to provide support to each other, it is not a play ground for bickering." Could some helpful advice/information be given to Dorothy to eliminate this "bickering" that has only been brought about by the frustrating lack of contact with someone who knows. Many people have tried to help but it needs someone to bring it to a close, and I don't mean banning her or throwing her off the list that will not sort out the problem she has, she has paid good money for a product and expects it to the job it was designed for. Where is the compassion on the list to help someone in trouble. I'll copy again your words for everyone to take in "This group is here to provide support to each other," Phill -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steve Dryden Sent: 31 January 2006 17:50 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Steve Dryden Bryan carver Sales Director. Yes, I think Barry has hit the nail on the head. I've had people mailing me regarding the strong off topic nature of this discussion. I'm not going to let this go on any further. It is not the right place for such a discussion. This group is here to provide support to each other. It is not a play ground for bickering. I therefore want this topic drawn to an end. No-one has vested interests in the group financially, or in any other business sense. This group is neither a business nor a charity, it simply exists to provide help to its members. If you would like to read up on the purpose of such an egroup, I suggest you read the freelists website at www.freelists.org Dorothy, I understand you have had problems, I sympathize but you need to take your grievance through the correct channels. This group is not one of those. Kind regards. Steve Hyde-Dryden Jaws-UK Group Owner -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barry Sent: 31 January 2006 17:21 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Steve Dryden Bryan carver Sales Director. Ok, this is off topic, but I feel that it needs saying. I think the proof of this list's integrity is in the eating. I have never come across anything on this list that even hints at anyone abusing a "vested interest". The list is simply advice prompted by problems. Every now and then, the subject gets off topic, and George does a fine job in moderating in an even, inoffensive and concise manner. Barry H ----- Original Message ----- From: "adrian.rowe" <adrian.rowe5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Steve Dryden Bryan carver Sales Director. Dorothy, I have known George Bell for a very long time, and I think it is wrong of you, or your cousin Eric to assume that George would give advice, where he could benefit financially for his company. In fact, quite the opposite, George, is more likely to give, than take from the blind. Adrian Rowe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Steve Dryden Bryan carver Sales Director. > Well now I am totally confused I do not know a Mr Steve Dryden at all? I > understood George Bell was the Moderator and his company was Technovision > in Northampton. My God daughter signed up to this page when she visited > last August she said it seems to be for people like you who use Jaws. I > asked her to read the nitty gritty you know the small print but she said > it only mentioned a few things about well unseemly subjects! My cousin > Eric who live in Herts isn't VIP he said his ISP also seem to have such a > list heused Bt Yahoo his opinion is that regardless of this it will be > basically run by people who have what he calls " vested interests" he says > some things may once long ago have had ideals but he fears in the modern > world of today Money is the main driving force.He could just be right you > know. In any case nothing stops any person from going to the Director of a > company and if he is too busy to listen to one that will tell you a hell of > a lot about any company. That is my > personal opinion. 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