thanks for that I will try it, I think I was surprised to find Jaws seeking to comment upon an incoming Email, I mean it is not regular, if people type a lower case I, Jaws does not alter it but of course it sounds odd. often when replying to an Email Jaws will if the message you are answering has an odd name try to alter that, perhaps it is my settings. Also I guess that a PDF has to maintain its integrity, many Jaws users are not keen on them, I can cope with adobe version 8 but some are written badly or crafted poorly big PDF from NCC National consumers council had ragged bits I couldn't Post to List as it was too large of course Thanks again Dorothy----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex thynne" <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment
Hi Dorothy sorry I'm late with this one. What I am suggesting you try to do is in Word, go to tools with alt t, and then press o for options. This is a very large multipage dialog box. If you shift tab, you should land on your tabs. Press the letter s until jaws says spelling and grammar tab and play with the settings in this particular tab, and ok your changes. Read the document again and see if you prefer having your gramatical errors hidden. Also you can play with the verbosity settings with insert plus v. You can turn spelling errors on and off and gramatical errors. You can always change things back again if you don't like this. I hope this helps. Alex skype name: grytpype2006 windows live messenger name: alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban Sent: 30 June 2008 22:50 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment Hi again can you explain what you mean in detail about disabling that feature in word. I did another test today printed the email off, I am using a laser black Inkjet Printer. I then treated it as if the attachment had arrived in the Post, which I have to scan daily not having any reader or sighted person around, I used my Epson 3490 to check it had printed well I then exited my Ocr, moved back to desktop and loaded up Ms Word, Office 2002 what I did then was and I may not get this exactly right as I do it automatically is alt and I and jaws says something like line break insert so up arrow and it says "scan to Kurzweil and I scan into Word directly, this last feature in the Ocr was not working at first but a fix was done for it at startof year.Well Jaws reads it Ok and of course as My documents is on my computer my Default I could have saved the attachment directly into My documents, however doing it the way explained I was using Fine Engine 8 and set this time to the lot, grey scales degraded text and apart from Jaws in high pitch up voice saying Page 2, it was ok----- Original Message ----- From: "alex thynne" <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:47 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachmentI'm not really sure how far I can be of help here because I'm thinking jaws could be reading all sorts of things. If for example jaws is reading grammar changes, you could try turning this off in the verbosity options as I've said and you can disable this feature in word itself. In the days when I used to work, I personally didn't like reading revisions, track changes and so on. For some people who like this feature, fine, but I personally didn't. You have to decide for yourself how you like jaws to react when reading documents. For those who say jaws is really flexible in its current version when it comes to treating how documents are to be read, that's fine. However, the other side of the coin is to say well I really don't need all this feature ritch usability of a screenreader if all I want is to open up a document and read it. Then again, it could be argued that all that someone may need is word viewer. I haven't tried this so I don't know whether or not jaws will use the microsoft word feature ritch scripts when using this particular program. In my own opinion, there are things I like and things I don't, it depends. However, for someone who maybe only wants to read a document without knowing how it has been revised, updated, call it anything you will, perhaps all the major screenreaders are, for some users, more complex than is necessary for their needs. However, you could try, as I said before, to see if disabling the check for spelling errors and gramatical errors in the verbosity settings will help. Jaws 9 has changed this somewhat to appear like a tree structure, and you need to look for the edit options to see how jaws currently treats these. If they are on, press space bar to turn them off. However, if you are reading superscript characters, as Brian suggested, than that is another matter. Finally, it doesn't do any harm to look at the jaws help topics for particular applications to get a full list of the various jaws commands and options available to you. I'm actually preaching to myself about this one, because it does happen to me, that the last place I look at to try and solve the problem I may be having at the time is the help section of jaws. Alex skype name: grytpype2006 windows live messenger name: alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban Sent: 29 June 2008 20:57 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment Hi I experimented by printing the attachment off, then scanning it in using my Ocr, removed all punctuation no luck moved from one Engine to another but although the Recognitions do not read the Empty para and other unwanted material in a high pitched voice of course it reads it. I didn't bother to export it using Rich text Format or scan direct into Word because it will not solve the problem, I suppose I can try what you suggest but I am not sure I can do it. My Ocr I used before I ever signed up to an Isp and am more at home adjusting settings. However I wonder if the Sender is at fault also,because the first claimed to have an attachment and did not,just yards of disclaimers and their Website Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex thynne" <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachmentDorothy you are not telling us what program you are using to read the document. If it is word, then there are things you can do in the verbosity settings on a temporary basis to stop jaws from reading these, or configuration manager. You can even tell Word, if it is word, to ignore grammar changes but I would rather not tell you how to do this in the event that the version you are using is not mine. I'm using microsoft word in Office 2000. Alex skype name: grytpype2006 windows live messenger name: alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban Sent: 29 June 2008 11:13 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment Hi It is odd at first they sent in what they said was an attachment but I ploughed through it all and it was pages of Legal stuff you know what I mean, I replied where is the attachment and I also sent them a clip from Outlaw, George picked it out the other day it is worth reading, because the business of all this Legalstuff takes yards of reading and most of it is meaningless. So they sent me the attachment and that is when I got all this "empty para and other comments Jaws seems to be commenting on the layout and treating it as a word document, but since it is one I have not typed myself,should Jaws be doing this? It started at the time Jaws began saying "superscript also in high pitch voice. e ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lingard" <b.lingard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:35 AM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachmentOttawa Canada Dear Dorothy and list: I don't know what program is grumbling about the grammatical errors in your received e-mail, but it isn't JAWS that is checking for grammatical errors, although it would be JAWS that is speaking the results of some other program's grammar check. Brian Brian K. 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