[jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment

  • From: "Dorothy Ingram-Gorban" <dorothy.ingram-gorban@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:58:07 +0100

thanks for that I will try it, I think I was surprised to find Jaws seeking
to  comment upon  an incoming Email,  I mean it is not regular, if people
type a lower case I, Jaws does not alter it but of course it sounds odd.
often when replying to an Email Jaws will if  the message you are answering
has an odd name try to alter that, perhaps it is my settings.  Also  I guess
that a PDF has to maintain its integrity, many Jaws users are not keen on
them, I can cope with adobe version 8 but some are written  badly or crafted
poorly  big PDF from NCC National consumers council had  ragged bits I
couldn't Post to List as it was too large of course Thanks again Dorothy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex thynne" <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


Hi Dorothy

sorry I'm late with this one.  What I am suggesting you try to do is in
Word, go to tools with alt t, and then press o for options.  This is a
very
large multipage dialog box.  If you shift tab, you should land on your
tabs.
Press the letter s until jaws says spelling and grammar tab and play with
the settings in this particular tab, and ok your changes.  Read the
document
again and see if you prefer having your gramatical errors hidden.    Also
you can play with the verbosity settings with insert plus v.    You can
turn
spelling errors on and off and  gramatical errors.  You can always change
things back again if you don't like this.  I hope this helps.

Alex
skype name: grytpype2006
windows live messenger name: alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
Sent: 30 June 2008 22:50
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


Hi again can you explain what you mean in detail about disabling that
feature in word. I did another test today printed the email off, I am
using
a laser black Inkjet Printer. I then treated it as if the attachment had
arrived in the Post, which I have to scan daily not having any  reader or
sighted person around,  I used my Epson 3490 to check it had printed well
I
then exited my  Ocr, moved back to desktop and loaded up Ms Word, Office
2002 what I did then was and
I may not get this exactly right as I do it automatically is  alt and I
and
jaws says something like line break insert so up arrow and it says "scan
to
Kurzweil and I scan into Word directly, this last feature in the Ocr was
not
working at first but a fix was done for it at startof year.Well Jaws reads
it Ok and of course as My documents is on my computer my Default I could
have saved the attachment directly into My documents, however doing it the
way explained I was using Fine Engine 8 and set this time to the lot, grey
scales degraded text and apart from Jaws in high pitch  up  voice saying
Page 2, it was ok----- Original Message -----
From: "alex thynne" <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:47 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


I'm not really sure how far I can be of help here because I'm thinking
jaws
could be reading all sorts of things.  If for example jaws is reading
grammar changes, you could try turning this off in the verbosity options
as
I've said and you can disable this feature in word itself.  In the days
when
I used to work, I personally didn't like reading revisions, track changes
and so on.  For some people who like this feature, fine, but I personally
didn't.  You have to decide for yourself how you like jaws to react when
reading documents.  For those who say jaws is really flexible in its
current
version when it comes to treating how documents are to be read, that's
fine.
However, the other side of the coin is to say well I really don't need
all
this feature ritch usability of a screenreader if all I want is to open
up
a
document and read it.  Then again, it could be argued that all that
someone
may need is word viewer.  I haven't tried this so I don't know whether or
not jaws will use the microsoft word feature ritch scripts when using
this
particular program.

In my own opinion, there are things I like and things I don't, it
depends.
However, for someone who maybe only wants to read a document without
knowing
how it has been revised, updated, call it anything you will, perhaps all
the
major screenreaders are, for some users, more complex than is necessary
for
their needs.  However, you could try, as I said before, to see if
disabling
the check for spelling errors and gramatical errors in the verbosity
settings will help.  Jaws 9 has changed this somewhat to appear like a
tree
structure, and you need to look for the edit options to see how jaws
currently treats these.  If they are on, press space bar to turn them
off.
However, if you are reading superscript characters, as Brian suggested,
than
that is another matter.

Finally, it doesn't do any harm to look at the jaws help topics for
particular applications to get a full list of the various jaws commands
and
options available to you.  I'm actually preaching to myself about this
one,
because it does happen to me, that the last place I look at to try and
solve
the problem I may be having at the time is the help section of jaws.

Alex
skype name: grytpype2006
windows live messenger name: alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
Sent: 29 June 2008 20:57
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


Hi I experimented by  printing the attachment off, then scanning it in
using my Ocr, removed all punctuation  no luck moved from one Engine to
another  but  although the Recognitions do not read the Empty para and
other
unwanted material in a high pitched voice of course it reads  it.  I
didn't
bother to export it using  Rich text Format  or scan direct into Word
because it will not solve the problem, I  suppose I can try what you
suggest
but I am not sure I can do it. My Ocr I used before I ever signed up to
an
Isp and am more at home adjusting settings. However I wonder if the
Sender
is at fault also,because the first   claimed to have an attachment and
did
not,just yards of disclaimers and their Website Dorothy
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex thynne" <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


Dorothy you are not telling us what program you are using to read the
document.  If it is word, then there are things you can do in the
verbosity
settings on a temporary basis to stop jaws from reading these, or
configuration manager.  You can even tell Word, if it is word, to ignore
grammar changes but I would rather not tell you how to do this in the
event
that the version you are using is not mine.  I'm using microsoft word in
Office 2000.

Alex
skype name: grytpype2006
windows live messenger name: alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
Sent: 29 June 2008 11:13
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


Hi  It is odd at first they sent in what they said was an attachment but
I
ploughed through it all and it was pages of Legal stuff you know what I
mean, I replied  where is the attachment and I also sent them a clip
from
Outlaw, George picked it out the other day  it is worth reading,
because
the business of all this   Legalstuff   takes yards of reading and most
of
it  is
meaningless. So they sent me the attachment  and that is when I got all
this
"empty para and other comments Jaws seems to be  commenting on the
layout
and treating it as a word document, but  since it is one I have not
typed
myself,should Jaws be doing this? It started at the time Jaws began
saying
"superscript also in high pitch voice. e ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lingard" <b.lingard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:35 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Reading an attachment


Ottawa Canada

Dear Dorothy and list:

I don't know what program is grumbling about the grammatical
errors in your received e-mail, but it isn't JAWS that is
checking for grammatical errors, although it would be JAWS that
is speaking the results of some other program's grammar check.

Brian
Brian K. Lingard
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Tel: +1 (613) 247-0665
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