[jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
- From: "Mujtaba Merchant" <mujtabam@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 18:56:40 +0530
Hello John,
Thanks for the resource. I will draft out the email shortly. Also will keep
the group in loop of it.
Mujtaba Merchant
Bangalore, India
The only disability in life is a BAD ATTITUDE ` Scott Hamilton
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of John Gregory
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:05 AM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
Mujtaba, why not send an email asking the Royal National Institute of the
Blind (UK) if they are aware of this issue and, if so, what they are doing
about it. If not, then would they be prepared to address the issue. Send
your email to campaigns@xxxxxxxxxxx outlining what you have already stated,
including the GW Micro.
John.
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mujtaba Merchant
Sent: 04 September 2012 15:35
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
Hello Amie Slavin/ Alex,
Firstly, thanks for tuning in to this topic! I thought I was the only one
around the world who felt that this was technological discrimination to it's
best. Below is an exctract from GW Micro, that talks about this restriction
for your ears only.
Source: GW Micro
"Using Adobe Acrobat, when an author makes the conscious decision to protect
a PDF document, they can choose to add a password, restrict editing and
printing, restrict copying images, text, and other content, and (hold on to
your seats) restrict text access for screen readers. Yep, you heard that
last one correctly. Adobe provides authors with the ability (pun intended --
you'll know why in a second) to explicitly deny access to assistive
technology. This aberration is clearly marked with a check box labeled,
"Enable text access for screen reader devices for the visually impaired." I
applaud Adobe for taking the lead in creating accessible electronic
documentation by providing access to PDF documents, but I will never
understand the inclusion of an option that gives someone the ability to
decide whether or not accessibility should exist. That check box should have
never been created, and it needs to be removed. Accessibility is something
that should not be decided by a flick of a mouse button from the hand of a
sighted person who doesn't have the first clue as to why a blind person
needs access to a PDF in the first place. Accessibility should not be
optional!"
Alex: Can we take any legal action against this company? I am at India and
do not feel I have any power to influence any change on this front...
Mujtaba Merchant
Bangalore, India
The only disability in life is a BAD ATTITUDE ` Scott Hamilton
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 5:52 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
So where is it to be found then please?
I've recently had a couple of occasions when someone has tried their very
best to send me documents, including contracts, but we've drawn a blank on
what they can do to make them accessible. Please tell me where this box is
to be found so I can tell people when it arises.
Thanks.
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: 04 September 2012 12:19
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
Amie, I think the producer of the pdf file has to uncheck it. And as far as
I'm aware it applies to all pdf's.
Cheers
Alex
Alex Stone
Assistive Technology Support Engineer
Action for Blind People
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SE15 1LE
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 04 September 2012 11:56
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
So can users uncheck this box or does it have to be the manufacturer who
does it?
Also, with JAWS 10, would this be applicable to me? Gather 13 is more into
accessing the tricky formats...is it?
Thanks.
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of John Gregory
Sent: 03 September 2012 23:14
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
Try explaining it to Toshiba! I have corresponded endlessly for them to
uncheck this box in their pdf user manual, but to no avail. They appear to
think that it compromises their copyright, but all it does is infringe our
right to access.
John.
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 03 September 2012 20:52
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
If there's a box people can uncheck which will improve screen reader access
then most people just need that explaining to them. If it's possible to
explain it here I'd be very grateful for something to offer the next
embarrassed person who finds they can't send me important documents due to
format.
Thanks for any education.
I'm using Jaws 10 btw; does this even apply to me?
Cheers
A
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mujtaba Merchant
Sent: 03 September 2012 14:58
To: Mujtaba Merchant
Subject: [jaws-uk] Online Protest Needed to be Initiated ADOBE
Hello Folks,
This may not be the right forum to discuss this but it has been on my mind
for too long. I want to initiate a online protest against ADOBE Corp. I
think this company is taking accessibility too lightly by providing sighted
users of their products a choice to restrict screen reader OR assistive
technology access to PDF files. I don't understand why a sighted user should
have this choice in the first place? And to add to it every sighted user I
get PDF files from apparently by default while authoring the file checks the
box to restrict it to accessibility. This is the most ridiculous attempt of
a company to restrict accessibility to their products. On the other hand
ADOBE talks big about accessibility and has provided tools in the PDF reader
to help people using assistive technology. Do you see where this is getting
us with the company?
Your valuable suggestions are needed on how to go about this. I want them to
start paying more attention when they are making their god damn products!
Mujtaba Merchant
Bangalore, India
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