[jaws-uk] Re: Jaws interface ideas

  • From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:22:25 +0100

Thanks Barry,
While we don't have the cursor moving to the beginning of each word as Jaws reads it yet wee do have the skip while in read all mode with the shift keys and the left and right arrow keys.


However I did some testing yesterday and have changed what I meant slightly. What I am now saying is that the up arrow key does Not go to the beginning of the current line but to the beginning of the line above. This mimics what it does when not in say all mode. The reason I suggest this is because after testing yesterday I found it quite hard to usefully move up several lines by quickly pressing the left shift key twice.

Of course you could still leave this in place if my idea went ahead as that would allow you to move to the beginning of the current line. Do you think it would be confusing that the left shift key and the up arrow do slightly different things and the right shift key and the down arrow do exactly the same thing when in reed all mode?

Thanks,
Nigel
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws interface ideas



I like this idea, Nigel.  Sometimes, when in reading mode, I miss- hear
something and need to go back but, once I've heard it, I want to continue
reading more than not.  Also, I sometimes want to skip a few lines but
continue with say all.  I rarely read all of any document with say all and
use control to stop the speech as a matter of course.

If anyone scripts this, I would be really interested in the scripts.

Barry H

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws interface ideas



I think there may be some confusion which is probably my fault.

What I meant is when in say all mode pressing the up arrow key will move to
the line above and keep reading. Pressing the down arrow key will move to
the next line and keep reading. You are able to read line by line when
doing this but Jaws just continues to talk. If you wanted the speech to
stop you could either press the stop speech key and jaws would stop speaking
with the cursor at the beginning of the word you stopped on and this word
would be announced to the user. Or if the Home key is pressed focus will
move to the beginning of the current line and speech would stop.


How does this sounds?

Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws interface ideas



As I said, the home key is used to get to the beginning of the current
line in Windows, so perhaps it, rather than the Up Arrow, might be used.
I'd still want to be able to read line by line while in SayAll.  We're
no longer designing a JAWS from scratch; so that at any one time there
are many, many more active users of the program than learning users of
it.  There must have been a reason why FS chose the shift key; perhaps
it is more 'sticky' and/or flexible.  Some key assignments are, however,
possible to change.  (Keyboard manager, etc.)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws interface ideas



I tested Jaws when reading a line and when you stop speech and focus returns to the beginning of the line. I am proposing that you should stop at the begining of the word you stopped on and this word should be read out to the user to confirm the cursor location.

I think it makes more sense to use the up and down arrow keys rather
than
shift when in say all mode as this simplifies the number of keys used.
If
you want to read by line you  will still be able to but not while in say
all
mode.

Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:17 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws interface ideas


This functionality is present:  but with the right-shift key for going
down a line and reading on, during SayAll; and left-shift for reading
from the beginning of current line and onwards, during SayAll.  The
Up-arrow key is for moving *up* a line, not for moving to the
beginning
of current line (for which the home key is the standard).  I believe
that one should, always, have the option of reading text one line at a
time if one chooses.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Jaws interface ideas



I would like to suggest that for this screen reader that when you are
in
reed all mode pressing the down arrow key will move to the next line
down
and keep reading.

Pressing the up arrow key will move to the beginning of the current
line
and
keep reading.  If the up arrow is pressed when already at the
beginning
of a
line, IE if the up arrow key is pressed twice in quick succession.
Then
the
line above will be read and the screen reader will keep reading.

If the user wishes to stop at any point he will press the stop speech
key
and the focus will reside at the beginning of the word he stopped on.
To
confirm this to the user this word will be read out.

What do you think?
Thanks,
Nigel

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