Flor,
Yes I know. in the post you replied to I was just talking about the keys on
their own without using insert similar to what we have at present but
without a forms mode. I take it you were replying to my previous post where
I was talking about the Jaws key being used for quick navigation on web
pages. This is probably not such a great idea.
Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:16 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
When I counted, there are 24 letters of the alphabet in use by JAWS for
these functions! They've gone along way down that road.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
Tink, Thanks for this. Like I say there are pros and cons to each method. The problem with the second one I suggested is that if the user presses the f key )not insert f as in the first idea) then when they get to a form field all quick nav keys will stop working and any text will be entered in the form field. This would probably lead a new user to wonder why the quick nav keys have stopped working. But this might be better in the long run. If Mathew is reading this perhaps he could post that second suggestion to the Beta list as well?
Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with
it.
----- Original Message -----From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
list.Nigel,
Mathew Horsepool posted your suggestion through to the Jaws Betato
Someone pointed out that to use key combinations such as Insert f,move between form fields, would override existing key functions, inthisdisadvantagecase the key combination for querying the style of a font.
It's good to be thinking about these things though.
Tink.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
I've been thinking about this. This approach does have thewhichthat it works in a different way to what a sighted user is used toperhapsmay make learning more difficult. Perhaps this is unavoidable,withnot.
Nigel It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are3.30.it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
Forms mode if it is a problem has been foxing Jaws since before the invention of the quick navigation keys all the way back to versionaboveTypically though my experience is that forms mode is not usually a problem for most Jaws users once explained. In addition with Jaws 5.0 andaccessinsert+F5 lists the edit fields of a web page allowing very easyinto specific edit fields which you can press enter to locate and put youjobforms mode ready to go, and if you use tab from there you can do theseevery satisfactorally.
The only people that really struggle with forms mode sometimes are people who act as helpers or sometimes trainers for Jaws who find the web difficult with Jaws running. I find I have to explain to them that what theyofon screen as a flashing cursor in an edit field may not necessarily bereader.relevance and they need to apreciate they are driving a screenjust soIn fact failure to observe this as a trainer would be a real problem because understanding of the speech and what that is doing is so crucial to operating Jaws.
If you think of forms being like somebody with a paper form in their hand and once they find the first spot to fill in they pick up a pen,giongon the web with Jaws you press enter on a a web field to say "now I'mnextto filll this in". Once they have it in their hand they can go to thetoolsbit to complete the rest of the form.
The quick nav keys in my hunble opinion have been one of the most significant advnaces for screen readers in that it puts advancedtimevery neatly under the fingers that allows the user to navigate the page structurally rather than top fo bottom which on some pages is bothlikeconsuming if not a mess. It takes a little practice and skill butthinkany useful tool you need to put in a little effort.
Regards.
Tristram Llewellyn Sight and Sound Technology Technical Support www.sightandsound.co.uk
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Jaws IE idea
Since all the keys used to navigate IE with Jaws are jaws keys IThisit would make sense if the Jaws key had to be held down to use them.formswould also mean the user does not have to remember if they are in27/09/2005mode or not and can just enter data when they get to a form field.
What do you think?
Thanks, Nigel
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