[jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea

  • From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:16:31 +0100

When I counted, there are 24 letters of the alphabet in use by JAWS for
these functions!  They've gone along way down that road.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


Tink,
Thanks for this.  Like I say there are pros and cons to each method.
The
problem with the second one I suggested is that if the user presses the
f
key )not insert f as in the first idea) then when they get to a form
field
all quick nav keys will stop working and any text will be entered in the
form field.  This would probably lead a new user to wonder why the quick
nav
keys have stopped working.  But this might be better in the long run.
If
Mathew is reading this perhaps he could post that second suggestion to
the
Beta list as well?

Thanks,
Nigel
It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are with
it.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea


> Nigel,
>
>    Mathew Horsepool posted your suggestion through to the Jaws Beta
list.
>
>    Someone pointed out that to use key combinations such as Insert f,
to
> move between form fields, would override existing key functions, in
this
> case the key combination for querying the style of a font.
>
>    It's good to be thinking about these things though.
>
> Tink.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:22 PM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
>
>
>> I've been thinking about this.  This approach does have the
disadvantage
>> that it works in a different way to what a sighted user is used to
which
>> may make learning more difficult.  Perhaps this is unavoidable,
perhaps
>> not.
>>
>> Nigel
>> It's not what Operating system you use, it's how productive you are
with
>> it.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:26 PM
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws IE idea
>>
>>
>>> Forms mode if it is a problem has been foxing Jaws since before the
>>> invention of the quick navigation keys all the way back to version
3.30.
>>> Typically though my experience is that forms mode is not usually a
>>> problem
>>> for most Jaws users once explained.  In addition with Jaws 5.0 and
above
>>> insert+F5 lists the edit fields of a web page allowing very easy
access
>>> to
>>> specific edit fields which you can press enter to locate and put you
in
>>> forms mode ready to go, and if you use tab from there you can do the
job
>>> very satisfactorally.
>>>
>>> The only people that really struggle with forms mode sometimes are
>>> people
>>> who act as helpers or sometimes trainers for Jaws who find the web
>>> difficult
>>> with Jaws running.  I find I have to explain to them that what they
see
>>> on
>>> screen as a flashing cursor in an edit field may not necessarily be
of
>>> relevance and they need to apreciate they are driving a screen
reader.
>>> In
>>> fact failure to observe this as a trainer would be a real problem
>>> because
>>> understanding of the speech and what that is doing is so crucial to
>>> operating Jaws.
>>>
>>> If you think of forms being like somebody with a paper form in their
>>> hand
>>> and once they find the first spot to fill in they pick up a pen,
just so
>>> on
>>> the web with Jaws you press enter on a a web field to say "now I'm
giong
>>> to
>>> filll this in".  Once they have it in their hand they can go to the
next
>>> bit
>>> to complete the rest of the form.
>>>
>>> The quick nav keys in my hunble opinion have been one of the most
>>> significant advnaces for screen readers in that it puts advanced
tools
>>> very
>>> neatly under the fingers that allows the user to navigate the page
>>> structurally rather than top fo bottom which on some pages is both
time
>>> consuming if not a mess.  It takes a little practice and skill but
like
>>> any
>>> useful tool you need to put in a little effort.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Tristram Llewellyn
>>> Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Technical Support
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:33 PM
>>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Jaws IE idea
>>>
>>>
>>> Since all the keys used to navigate IE with Jaws are jaws keys I
think
>>> it
>>> would make sense if the Jaws key had to be held down to use them.
This
>>> would also mean the user does not have to remember if they are in
forms
>>> mode
>>> or not and can just enter data when they get to a form field.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nigel
>>>
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