Forms mode if it is a problem has been foxing Jaws since before the invention of the quick navigation keys all the way back to version 3.30. Typically though my experience is that forms mode is not usually a problem for most Jaws users once explained. In addition with Jaws 5.0 and above insert+F5 lists the edit fields of a web page allowing very easy access to specific edit fields which you can press enter to locate and put you in forms mode ready to go, and if you use tab from there you can do the job very satisfactorally. The only people that really struggle with forms mode sometimes are people who act as helpers or sometimes trainers for Jaws who find the web difficult with Jaws running. I find I have to explain to them that what they see on screen as a flashing cursor in an edit field may not necessarily be of relevance and they need to apreciate they are driving a screen reader. In fact failure to observe this as a trainer would be a real problem because understanding of the speech and what that is doing is so crucial to operating Jaws. If you think of forms being like somebody with a paper form in their hand and once they find the first spot to fill in they pick up a pen, just so on the web with Jaws you press enter on a a web field to say "now I'm giong to filll this in". Once they have it in their hand they can go to the next bit to complete the rest of the form. The quick nav keys in my hunble opinion have been one of the most significant advnaces for screen readers in that it puts advanced tools very neatly under the fingers that allows the user to navigate the page structurally rather than top fo bottom which on some pages is both time consuming if not a mess. It takes a little practice and skill but like any useful tool you need to put in a little effort. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Sight and Sound Technology Technical Support www.sightandsound.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel" <stoppard@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Jaws IE idea Since all the keys used to navigate IE with Jaws are jaws keys I think it would make sense if the Jaws key had to be held down to use them. This would also mean the user does not have to remember if they are in forms mode or not and can just enter data when they get to a form field. What do you think? Thanks, Nigel ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq