[jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
- From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:02:19 +0100
Do you think they are putting in codes just because they know how to do it?
I thought they only did that on university web sites (smile).
Barry
]
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Jaws UK" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
Phil,
It's kind of you to say so, thank you.
"each page is
> being
> redirected and placed in a frame."
Yup, that's one of the problems with using frames, it's very difficult
to pin down a precise URL. It's particularly strange in this case, because
they only have the one frame, which suggests that frames probably aren't
needed to begin with.
Tink.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Medway" <philmedway@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
> It wasn't your fault Barry. The homepage address appears as the address
> for
> all of the pages as far as I can tell.
>
> Tink is our guru concerning HTML etc. but it appears that each page is
> being
> redirected and placed in a frame.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil Medway.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:00 AM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
>
>
> I'm sorry, Tink. The problem was not on the home page but on the useful
> links page. I thought I had pasted the URL to that page but, obviously, I
> did not.
>
> I presume you have read the reply from George. I do think it is important
> to draw their attention to the spacer image graphics. If you don't mind,
> I
> will send them the relevant points from your message regarding this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Jaws UK" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:33 AM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
>
>
> Barry,
>
> I've just had a look at this page:
> http://www.nalsvi.org
>
> I can't replicate the problem you are having and I can't find any
> headings within the html code either. The designers appear to have
> visually
> presented headings by simply using an enlarged font size, rather than
> using
> the specific html code for marking up a heading.
>
> I'm using Jaws 6.1, should this be a version issue. I can't see any
> logical reason for this to happen, either with previous versions of Jaws
> or
> any other. It's possible that some combination of the JavaScript and
> frames
> used on the site is confusing Jaws, but this is only a very random guess
> at
> the cause of this behaviour.
>
> Another possibility is that much of the code isn't very well formed.
> Html tags are opened but not closed properly. Ordinarily, this wouldn't
> make
> much difference from the browser point of view, but it's something that
> could be causing a screen reader some difficulty. Again, just another shot
> in the dark.
>
> One suggestion I would make to the developers of the site, if you are
> able to contact them, would be to change the way they have given a text
> description to their spacer images.
>
> Spacer images are invisible to the onlooker, but because of the
> accessibility guideline that says that all images must have a text
> description, they are each being announced with the word, "spacer", to
> screen reader users. There are many of these on the page, which is quite
> time consuming to listen to. It is possible to hide these images from
> screen
> readers as well as from visual users.
>
> The code at the moment probably looks something like this, for one of
> those images:
>
> <img src="spacer.gif" alt="spacer" />
>
> If they alter it to something like this:
>
> <img src="spacer.gif" alt="" />
>
> With nothing between the quote marks of the alt="" attribute, then
> those
> images will become unobtrusive to everyone, whilst keeping in line with
> accessibility guidelines.
>
> HTH,
> Tink.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
>
>
>> Hi Vanja
>>
>> As I know the people who own the particular site, is there anything I can
>> suggest to them that would rectify the problem?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Vanja Sudar" <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:11 PM
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Headings in web pages
>>
>>
>> Hi Barry, unfortunately you can't do anything about this, it's the way
>> the
>> page is coded.
>> Vanja
>> MSN messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> AIM: vanja121
>> Skype: vanja121
>> http://www.sudar.co.uk
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Jaws list" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:49 PM
>> Subject: [jaws-uk] Headings in web pages
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> On some web pages, jaws reads *heading level...* on nearly every line of
>>> text. One such page is:
>>>
>>> http://www.nalsvi.org/
>>>
>>> Do I have a setting wrong in JFW or is it the web page that is at fault?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
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