A very nice man came from Viglen and he worked very hard indeed. He told me that the disc going was just bad luck. I did tell me I did a Defrag but carefully. He acknowledged the system is vulnerable whilst doing a Defrag but was sure it was not the cause of the problem, I did say the desktop has been crashing for a fairly long while now at least a couple of times a day he said contact them if that happens. He couldn't been nicer. He would have loaded all my software again but for some reason Jaws would not speak I gave him the floppy disc and the patch which was actually not a patch but the programme with the patch on it. he said it said 119 on it. anyway I think Tony said just ask them to put Windows on and the Firewall Norton the drivers etc and anyway Lunar and then Kurzweil all has to go on. I was very impressed at the courtesy of this young man. I asked him which computer do you use? Yes you have guessed it he puts together his own. I then said which ISP. and he said NTL, but I think that is cable and I do not have that here. Asking which antivirus, he used Norton. Well he was so bright you need to pick a brain or 2 don't you. His last words were " now do not forget to back up" since all I have lost cannot retrieved I shall look upon it as a lesson. Ps I have a Demo version of Jaws seven which Tony was reluctant to try, maybe I shall give it a go then. One last thing I asked about is cookies do you keep some or not. He said they sometimes make it quicker to get to somewhere you have been before but in his opinion get rid of all of them or you will be plagued with Spam, he uses Spybot. Incidentally has anyone heard of Bulldog? Dorothy Ps the disc is in a sealed unit in silver cover and you wouldhave tohave a post mortem most likely for a full diagnosis. I know the system has not felt very ,I cannot think of another word but I think many will understand what I mean, it seemed a bit sick, and off colour all the time so I thought I would perk it up with Defrag, in spite of what George says I will still be wary of doing it again.. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq